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Any good VST controller / player software for DP? #2869195
07/14/19 10:43 AM
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I have been using Sampletank3 the free version, which is nice.
But it does not allow importing of 3rd party instrument, and it lacks some functions.

I do not make music or tracks, so I do not want to use those DAW, too complicated for me.
I just want to be able to try different sounds and free instruments (e.g. keyzone piano), and layer/split keyboard, control volumes/mixing, and record my play as MIDI/audio files.

Is there such free software for windows?

many thanks!

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Re: Any good VST controller / player software for DP? [Re: David Zhang] #2869205
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Cantabile Lite gets you part way there, but to do everything you want, you'd have to upgrade to the not-free Cantabile Solo. Cantabile Lite includes a trial version of Solo. GigPerformer is also a really nice app for this, but more expensive.

Re: Any good VST controller / player software for DP? [Re: David Zhang] #2869256
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Originally Posted by David Zhang
I do not want to use those DAW, too complicated for me.


Okay.

Originally Posted by David Zhang
I just want to be able to try different sounds and free instruments (e.g. keyzone piano), and layer/split keyboard, control volumes/mixing, and record my play as MIDI/audio files.


Sounds like you need a DAW.

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Or maybe Cantabile will do. And we can call it a "VST host", so it's not a DAW.

Re: Any good VST controller / player software for DP? [Re: David Zhang] #2869276
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Yeah, no need for a DAW just for the needs mentioned, Cantabile Solo and GigPerformer should do all those things, with greater ease. But you'd have to move to a DAW to do overdubbing, editing, or any other post-performance manipulation of the files.

Re: Any good VST controller / player software for DP? [Re: David Zhang] #2869409
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Thank you very much for your reply. These are exactly what I looked for, and now I know it is called a VST Host.

I have been trying these Host software, one thing I found disappointing is that the Host imports a library as a whole thing, and will bring up the full UI of that library when you use it.
If I what to use a single instrument in Sampletank3, I have to bring up the whole Sampletank UI and go through all its menus to locate and select the instrument. So it is a VST host inside a VST host....
This is not convenient at all I don't know what instrument I have before bringing up the whole thing, and unnecessary UI is taking a lot of space...
(it is fine for the VST that contains only one instrument... )

I was thinking that the VST Host shall import at the level of instrument, and consolidate and organize all the instruments from different sources in a single place.....

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Originally Posted by David Zhang
I have been trying these Host software, one thing I found disappointing is that the Host imports a library as a whole thing, and will bring up the full UI of that library when you use it.
If I what to use a single instrument in Sampletank3, I have to bring up the whole Sampletank UI and go through all its menus to locate and select the instrument.

You can configure the VST Host so that a single command will not only call up the sound library(s) you want, but also the specific sound(s) in the library(s) that you want it to automatically load (i.e. Program Change settings).

Originally Posted by David Zhang
I was thinking that the VST Host shall import at the level of instrument, and consolidate and organize all the instruments from different sources in a single place.....

The hosts will let you "consolidate and organize all the instruments from different sources in a single place" but not by importing the sounds themselves. Sampletank is not just a bunch of sounds, it is also the entire engine for playing those sounds. You can't load/import just a sound without loading its player. The VST Host is not, itself, a player, rather it routes things (MIDI, audio) from one place to another. You still need to be running Sampletank to play Sampletank sounds, Kontakt to play Kontakt sounds, etc. The sounds don't run outside of their sound engines, and can't be loaded independently into another environment But you can use the host to instruct them as to which of their sounds you want to play, so you don't have to "bring up the whole UI and go through all its menus to locate and select the instrument" you want. Effectively, that gives you what you want, quick access to whatever sounds of combinations of sounds you want, even though it still has to load and be running the entire original program and cannot merely "import at the level of instrument."

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by David Zhang
I have been trying these Host software, one thing I found disappointing is that the Host imports a library as a whole thing, and will bring up the full UI of that library when you use it.
If I what to use a single instrument in Sampletank3, I have to bring up the whole Sampletank UI and go through all its menus to locate and select the instrument.

You can configure the VST Host so that a single command will not only call up the sound library(s) you want, but also the specific sound(s) in the library(s) that you want it to automatically load (i.e. Program Change settings).

Originally Posted by David Zhang
I was thinking that the VST Host shall import at the level of instrument, and consolidate and organize all the instruments from different sources in a single place.....

The hosts will let you "consolidate and organize all the instruments from different sources in a single place" but not by importing the sounds themselves. Sampletank is not just a bunch of sounds, it is also the entire engine for playing those sounds. You can't load/import just a sound without loading its player. The VST Host is not, itself, a player, rather it routes things (MIDI, audio) from one place to another. You still need to be running Sampletank to play Sampletank sounds, Kontakt to play Kontakt sounds, etc. The sounds don't run outside of their sound engines, and can't be loaded independently into another environment But you can use the host to instruct them as to which of their sounds you want to play, so you don't have to "bring up the whole UI and go through all its menus to locate and select the instrument" you want. Effectively, that gives you what you want, quick access to whatever sounds of combinations of sounds you want, even though it still has to load and be running the entire original program and cannot merely "import at the level of instrument."


That makes a lot of sense, but still, I think the host software UI can "present at the level of instrument", and load whatever needed engine/player in the background. Maybe there is some technical barrier of extracting information inside a library or there lacks a standard way of describing a virtual instrument, which all make it difficult to organize the information from different libraries.

I am using Cantabile at the moments, works fine and like you said, saving the "workspace" works well.


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