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Re: New teacher suggests we get a better piano [Re: Mshepard83] #2868892
07/13/19 01:16 AM
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I've had little to do with Digital pianos for students - but an issue I had with one student I did some short-term mentoring with, was that the volume was always turned down soft at home (I heard later that it was Mum who did that - the louder he played, the more she turned it down) and the student played quite "hard" to try to make enough sound to satisfy his instincts. But when the teenager came to a real piano, he couldn't control it because he was so used to "thumping" because that was what he did at home. I didn't have much to do with him after that - but his Mum agreed to let it be played at a reasonable volume.


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Re: New teacher suggests we get a better piano [Re: backto_study_piano] #2868895
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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
I've had little to do with Digital pianos for students - but an issue I had with one student I did some short-term mentoring with, was that the volume was always turned down soft at home (I heard later that it was Mum who did that - the louder he played, the more she turned it down) and the student played quite "hard" to try to make enough sound to satisfy his instincts. But when the teenager came to a real piano, he couldn't control it because he was so used to "thumping" because that was what he did at home. I didn't have much to do with him after that - but his Mum agreed to let it be played at a reasonable volume.

Mum could have bought a pair of headphones for him instead!


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Re: New teacher suggests we get a better piano [Re: outo] #2868935
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Originally Posted by outo
Unless the sound is the issue (neighbours), an upright really does not take up much more space than a good digital with a proper case with built in pedals. A piano keyboard is always the same in length, so it's not possible to make them less wide.

But a very good digital that feels like an acoustic grand to play costs a lot. I just went piano shopping for fun and the one Yamaha digital that I would have bought to replace my Roland was over 8000euros. That's the price of a decent used baby grand (if one gets lucky) or a good new upright here.


I think to get a decent baby grand at that price you need to know pianos well yourself, to view various duds before that bargain is found. That will probably mean having your teacher or a piano technician to come and view multiple pianos with you and know what potential problems to look for. There is risk in evaluating in both digital and acoustic pianos but I think acoustics significantly more so.


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Re: New teacher suggests we get a better piano [Re: KevinM] #2868942
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by outo
Unless the sound is the issue (neighbours), an upright really does not take up much more space than a good digital with a proper case with built in pedals. A piano keyboard is always the same in length, so it's not possible to make them less wide.

But a very good digital that feels like an acoustic grand to play costs a lot. I just went piano shopping for fun and the one Yamaha digital that I would have bought to replace my Roland was over 8000euros. That's the price of a decent used baby grand (if one gets lucky) or a good new upright here.


I think to get a decent baby grand at that price you need to know pianos well yourself, to view various duds before that bargain is found. That will probably mean having your teacher or a piano technician to come and view multiple pianos with you and know what potential problems to look for. There is risk in evaluating in both digital and acoustic pianos but I think acoustics significantly more so.


Well, I bought mine at a bargain...of course not expecting to never have any issues with it.
I do not actually need the expensive digital, I already have 3 pianos. But it did feel very good to play.

Re: New teacher suggests we get a better piano [Re: Mshepard83] #2868950
07/13/19 11:21 AM
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I don't think we are going to hear back from the OP - but most threads seem to take on of a life of their own anyway.


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Re: New teacher suggests we get a better piano [Re: Carey] #2868955
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Originally Posted by Carey
I don't think we are going to hear back from the OP - but most threads seem to take on of a life of their own anyway.


Completely off topic. I really like your Bunte Blätter Opus 99 No. 1 from your youtube channel. I've been learning it for some time and I think I play it quite nicely but it is still way too slow. Yours is the first recording where I felt it was played at the right speed, the recording I have for it by Maria João Pires is much too fast and has been little use with guiding me in how to play it.


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Re: New teacher suggests we get a better piano [Re: KevinM] #2868972
07/13/19 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by Carey
I don't think we are going to hear back from the OP - but most threads seem to take on of a life of their own anyway.
Completely off topic. I really like your Bunte Blätter Opus 99 No. 1 from your youtube channel. I've been learning it for some time and I think I play it quite nicely but it is still way too slow. Yours is the first recording where I felt it was played at the right speed, the recording I have for it by Maria João Pires is much too fast and has been little use with guiding me in how to play it.
Thank you Kevin. I appreciate the feedback. Actually I was introduced to this piece by another piano world member, Pathbreaker, late last year. Here's a link to the thread where he posted his recording and we discussed the challenges of the piece.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2786915/re-schumann-op-99-1.html#Post2786915

The Opus 99 No. 1 is not easy to play well, and I'm still not completely satisfied with my own recording (maybe I'm too much of a perfectionist - ha ha) - BUT I am very comfortable with the tempo I play it at, and agree that many professional recordings seem too fast.

If you follow Schumann's instructions at the beginning of the piece ...."Not fast, with intimacy of feeling" - you can't go wrong. smile

Cheers !!




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Re: New teacher suggests we get a better piano [Re: Carey] #2868983
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Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by Carey
I don't think we are going to hear back from the OP - but most threads seem to take on of a life of their own anyway.
Completely off topic. I really like your Bunte Blätter Opus 99 No. 1 from your youtube channel. I've been learning it for some time and I think I play it quite nicely but it is still way too slow. Yours is the first recording where I felt it was played at the right speed, the recording I have for it by Maria João Pires is much too fast and has been little use with guiding me in how to play it.
Thank you Kevin. I appreciate the feedback. Actually I was introduced to this piece by another piano world member, Pathbreaker, late last year. Here's a link to the thread where he posted his recording and we discussed the challenges of the piece.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2786915/re-schumann-op-99-1.html#Post2786915

The Opus 99 No. 1 is not easy to play well, and I'm still not completely satisfied with my own recording (maybe I'm too much of a perfectionist - ha ha) - BUT I am very comfortable with the tempo I play it at, and agree that many professional recordings seem too fast.

If you follow Schumann's instructions at the beginning of the piece ...."Not fast, with intimacy of feeling" - you can't go wrong. smile
Cheers !!


Those hand jumps are hard, and especially so on those few occasions where both the left and right hand are making significant jumps. I can usually get one hand to land at the right place without hesitation by looking at the keyboard, but both at the same time. Really I can't aim for two different spots at the same time by looking at those spots beforehand.

It is a lovely little piece.


Mendelssohn Song without Words Op19,2 and 19,6, Jensen Sehnsucht Op8,5. Chopin Nocturne C# Minor. Schumann Hasche Mann from Kinderszenen Op15,3. https://soundcloud.com/sheffieldkevin
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Re: New teacher suggests we get a better piano [Re: KevinM] #2869002
07/13/19 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by Carey
I don't think we are going to hear back from the OP - but most threads seem to take on of a life of their own anyway.
Completely off topic. I really like your Bunte Blätter Opus 99 No. 1 from your youtube channel. I've been learning it for some time and I think I play it quite nicely but it is still way too slow. Yours is the first recording where I felt it was played at the right speed, the recording I have for it by Maria João Pires is much too fast and has been little use with guiding me in how to play it.
Thank you Kevin. I appreciate the feedback. Actually I was introduced to this piece by another piano world member, Pathbreaker, late last year. Here's a link to the thread where he posted his recording and we discussed the challenges of the piece.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2786915/re-schumann-op-99-1.html#Post2786915

The Opus 99 No. 1 is not easy to play well, and I'm still not completely satisfied with my own recording (maybe I'm too much of a perfectionist - ha ha) - BUT I am very comfortable with the tempo I play it at, and agree that many professional recordings seem too fast.

If you follow Schumann's instructions at the beginning of the piece ...."Not fast, with intimacy of feeling" - you can't go wrong. smile
Cheers !!
Those hand jumps are hard, and especially so on those few occasions where both the left and right hand are making significant jumps. I can usually get one hand to land at the right place without hesitation by looking at the keyboard, but both at the same time. Really I can't aim for two different spots at the same time by looking at those spots beforehand.

It is a lovely little piece.
Lovely little piece indeed !! Looking at two destination points simultaneously on the keyboard does present a challenge. I've never memorized the piece, so I only peek at the keyboard for a couple of leaps - otherwise I simply play it by feel. I've found that practicing the broken chords as solid chords helps reinforce the changing hand positions.


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Re: New teacher suggests we get a better piano [Re: KevinM] #2869042
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Those hand jumps are hard, and especially so on those few occasions where both the left and right hand are making significant jumps. I can usually get one hand to land at the right place without hesitation by looking at the keyboard, but both at the same time. Really I can't aim for two different spots at the same time by looking at those spots beforehand.
Try the following: While moving both hands focus on one leap most of the time and then look at the other hand. With practice, you will be able to hit the correct note with the first hand because you're actually doing a smaller blind leap with that hand.

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