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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2867903
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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2867906
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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2867908
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K I joined the Reddit but hopefully we don’t have to permanently split up.

Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2867909
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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2867916
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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2867936
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I just joined Reddit, too, under the same name as here. But I hope we don't lose this forum.

Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2867947
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We won't - I have confidence it will survive and thrive.

Has anyone heard from or spoken with Frank? I wish he would weigh in.


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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2868041
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I've been thinking the same thing. We've been talking and talking without any updates from the key figure. So my plan is to hold tight and wait for a bit. Keeping fingers crossed that this can resolve in a way that keeps everyone feeling satisfied!


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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2868090
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Ok, I'm over there, too. But Aug 1 I'll update my donation here.

P.S. - How do you log out over there?

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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: outo] #2868092
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Originally Posted by outo
Originally Posted by jotur


You don't personally have to have a paypal account - click on the use a cc under donations. Paypal will process the payment, but it uses a PW account.

That doesn't help the folks who don't like paypal, but it's an option.

Did not work like that for me, it required me to either log in or create an account AND give my phone number which is where I quit the process.

I understand that it costs money to arrange for paying directly with credit card, so this is probably the best option for Frank.


Hm. I clicked on Donate at the bottom of the screen here, then Donate after the boilerplate on the next screen, and then there was an option to either use Paypal or a credit or debit card. Don't know why that wasn't available to you - different country?


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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: dogperson] #2868101
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I just made a donation and was able to use a credit card. I did have to search to find the donate button . I agree it would be easier to find if it were at the top.


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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2868583
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It's going to be such a shame if this site goes full subscription. As much as I love this and lurk here almost everyday my hubby is deathly allergic to subscriptions. I had to get Medici.tv as a Christmas gift and will probably end it this Christmas if no one offers it. Even if its only 2-3 bucks a month anymore it is really overwhelming how many requests you get anymore from two dozen or more websites/podcasts/youtube channels that all say the same. The next thing you know you get your paypal bill and realize you've commited yourself to $200/month and no warm coffee or stained teeth to show for it. It's too bad that the site couldn't be reinvented/reinvigorated by adopting a different modality, say more like Ravelry. Ravelry made national news a few years back as the most successful social platform on the internet and it's totally free. Started as a way for knitters to get together and share and now incorporates a whole world of fiber arts and supports a thriving micro economy. No one at its inception thought it could become as self sustaining as it has become with 8 million members when all it is is a gathering place for people who like yarn. If they can do that, why can't we? You should all go sign up and look at it. Now we wouldn't be nearly so big or offer as much at first, but neither did they. But one idea built on another again and again. Some things worked, some things failed. But maybe something similar could work for us. If things are getting that difficult, it's something to think about.

Just a thought.

Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2868586
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This forum has been successful with this model for over 20 years, but is not pulling in enough advertising revenue. Don’t want to subscribe? Make a small donation. Look at the store for purchases. These are the things all of us can do to keep the forum free to membership.

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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: jotur] #2868587
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Originally Posted by jotur
Hm. I clicked on Donate at the bottom of the screen here, then Donate after the boilerplate on the next screen, and then there was an option to either use Paypal or a credit or debit card. Don't know why that wasn't available to you - different country?

Hi Cathy, you are quite right, I found the button there! I had clicked on my username, scrolled down to subscriptions, clicked on Bronze, and found only check and Paypal.
Thank you!

So Frank B, if you read this, please add the credit and debit cards possibility to the subscriptions!


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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: FrankCox] #2868612
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It would be nice to hear back at some point about the situation, if more and how much donation is needed to keep the present model for at least the next year or so. If I have to use that bl**** PayPal, I would rather do it just once with a proper amount.

Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: outo] #2868626
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Originally Posted by outo
It would be nice to hear back at some point about the situation, if more and how much donation is needed to keep the present model for at least the next year or so. If I have to use that bl**** PayPal, I would rather do it just once with a proper amount.


Well, Mr. Piano World seems to be missing on this debate. He has not responded to my text inquiring about the recitals.

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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: Animisha] #2868721
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Originally Posted by Animisha
Originally Posted by jotur
Hm. I clicked on Donate at the bottom of the screen here, then Donate after the boilerplate on the next screen, and then there was an option to either use Paypal or a credit or debit card. Don't know why that wasn't available to you - different country?

Hi Cathy, you are quite right, I found the button there! I had clicked on my username, scrolled down to subscriptions, clicked on Bronze, and found only check and Paypal.
Thank you!

So Frank B, if you read this, please add the credit and debit cards possibility to the subscriptions!


I see. Yes, it would nice if all the options were available for every button, and the buttons were easier to find. I hadn't even thought of going via my username smirk This is definitely a marketing glitch, eh?


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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: Sam S] #2868730
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Originally Posted by Sam S
Well, Mr. Piano World seems to be missing on this debate. He has not responded to my text inquiring about the recitals.

Sam

He’s probably been too busy speccing out his new Porsche, with all the recent donations. wink

He was on site an hour ago . . . does seem like he would weigh in on the subject.


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Re: Forum becoming subscription only [Re: walkingblind] #2868800
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Originally Posted by walkingblind
......say more like Ravelry. ..... If they can do that, why can't we? it's something to think about.

Just a thought.


I love Ravelry! But I can understand that when things get bigger than you can personally handle then its time for change. Money helps but doesnt' take away the stresses of keeping up with growth. Retirement is meant to be relaxing!
I signed up on Reddit but haven't explored how to use it. Like so many of you I love this site and lurk around very often. I have made donations from time to time but not put up stickers, that doesn't matter to me. I would subscribe if necessary but if leadership is tired then that won't make a lot of difference.


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Originally Posted by Palmpirate
Originally Posted by walkingblind
......say more like Ravelry. ..... If they can do that, why can't we? it's something to think about.

Just a thought.


I love Ravelry! But I can understand that when things get bigger than you can personally handle then its time for change. Money helps but doesnt' take away the stresses of keeping up with growth. Retirement is meant to be relaxing!
I signed up on Reddit but haven't explored how to use it. Like so many of you I love this site and lurk around very often. I have made donations from time to time but not put up stickers, that doesn't matter to me. I would subscribe if necessary but if leadership is tired then that won't make a lot of difference.



Frank has not said nor implied that he is tired of managing the site, only that it is not generating enough income. Really, we should take his statement at face value,


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