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Securing Pieces Episode 2 #2867932
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Re: Securing Pieces Episode 2 [Re: ahoffmann] #2867948
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Actually, this video is quite good. The only "tip" offered that I'd never seriously considered was the "crossing of hands and playing in different registers." Thanks for sharing.


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Re: Securing Pieces Episode 2 [Re: Carey] #2868006
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Originally Posted by Carey
Actually, this video is quite good. The only "tip" offered that I'd never seriously considered was the "crossing of hands and playing in different registers." Thanks for sharing.


Thanks Carey,
may I ask what's been your experience with the method of practicing while imagining (in this case the next passage) something else?

Re: Securing Pieces Episode 2 [Re: ahoffmann] #2868102
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Originally Posted by ahoffmann
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Actually, this video is quite good. The only "tip" offered that I'd never seriously considered was the "crossing of hands and playing in different registers." Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Carey, may I ask what's been your experience with the method of practicing while imagining (in this case the next passage) something else?
Good question. Actually the snippet in the video from Bach's Prelude in C from WTC 1 is a good example. The repetitive broken chord chord structure of the piece allows one to visualize the upcoming chord changes quite easily (i.e., once your hand is in position playing one broken chord pattern, you can quickly think about and anticipate the next). In more complex writing, however, it becomes a little more challenging. I find visualization helps me anticipate tricky fingerings, large leaps, or hand position changes for the start of new passages. Bottom line, one should always be thinking ahead to some degree, keeping the overall musical flow in mind. Slow practice is immensely helpful in this process.


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Re: Securing Pieces Episode 2 [Re: Carey] #2868392
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Your channel has lots of great repertoire on it btw. Good job with the Wanderer. heck of a piece.
Have you tried perhaps what I mentioned briefly where you visualize one hand while playing the other? I found that works considerably better than just visualizing away from the piano.

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Another great post. I was just thinking today about thinking ahead. I find it useful to play one phrase very fast, and then stop and think about what's coming next, and repeat on the next phrase. It's also great to be able to think of the next phrase when each phrase is played. Like very slow practise, I find this a good way to get such a clear idea of a piece it feels like I'm conscious of the whole piece at once. I think of each practising trick as breaking down a different mental wall.

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Originally Posted by ahoffmann
Your channel has lots of great repertoire on it btw. Good job with the Wanderer. heck of a piece.
Have you tried perhaps what I mentioned briefly where you visualize one hand while playing the other? I found that works considerably better than just visualizing away from the piano.
Thanks for visiting my channel. The Wanderer took a few years to fully learn (interrupted by military service, etc.) but it was well worth the effort. I will definitely try visualizing one hand while playing the other - seems like it might be a very useful tool !! thumb


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Re: Securing Pieces Episode 2 [Re: johnstaf] #2868455
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Another great post. I was just thinking today about thinking ahead. I find it useful to play one phrase very fast, and then stop and think about what's coming next, and repeat on the next phrase. It's also great to be able to think of the next phrase when each phrase is played. Like very slow practise, I find this a good way to get such a clear idea of a piece it feels like I'm conscious of the whole piece at once. I think of each practising trick as breaking down a different mental wall.
Absolutely !! smile


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Re: Securing Pieces Episode 2 [Re: johnstaf] #2868741
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Another great post. I was just thinking today about thinking ahead. I find it useful to play one phrase very fast, and then stop and think about what's coming next, and repeat on the next phrase. It's also great to be able to think of the next phrase when each phrase is played. Like very slow practise, I find this a good way to get such a clear idea of a piece it feels like I'm conscious of the whole piece at once. I think of each practising trick as breaking down a different mental wall.


Thanks Johnstaf,
yes playing (too) fast can also be a useful way to practice things. Especially for getting a bigger mental picture of a piece.

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Originally Posted by Carey
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Your channel has lots of great repertoire on it btw. Good job with the Wanderer. heck of a piece.
Have you tried perhaps what I mentioned briefly where you visualize one hand while playing the other? I found that works considerably better than just visualizing away from the piano.
Thanks for visiting my channel. The Wanderer took a few years to fully learn (interrupted by military service, etc.) but it was well worth the effort. I will definitely try visualizing one hand while playing the other - seems like it might be a very useful tool !! thumb


In my experience it takes two attempts to notice that it works. I typically tell people about it, they try it and aren't too impressed but then I tell them to make a more serious attempt and then it clicks. Perhaps for somebody with your experience it'll be different. I discovered it just over a year ago by accident when I had to learn lots of pieces in a very short time.

Re: Securing Pieces Episode 2 [Re: ahoffmann] #2868761
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Originally Posted by ahoffmann
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I will definitely try visualizing one hand while playing the other - seems like it might be a very useful tool !! thumb
In my experience it takes two attempts to notice that it works. I typically tell people about it, they try it and aren't too impressed but then I tell them to make a more serious attempt and then it clicks. Perhaps for somebody with your experience it'll be different. I discovered it just over a year ago by accident when I had to learn lots of pieces in a very short time.
Being an older player (ha ha) it might take me three attempts. But I'm working on something now that I can apply the technique to, so I'll give it a shot. Thanks.


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Re: Securing Pieces Episode 2 [Re: ahoffmann] #2869378
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Nice tips, I'll be sure to consider them when practicing. What's the first piece you are playing in the beginning of the video by the way?

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Originally Posted by RmntcPianoLvr
Nice tips, I'll be sure to consider them when practicing. What's the first piece you are playing in the beginning of the video by the way?


Ahh nevermind, it's the first piece from Debussy's Children's Corner

Re: Securing Pieces Episode 2 [Re: ahoffmann] #2869552
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Adrian - Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed watching the various videos on your YouTube channel. The production values are EXCELLENT - and your playing is superb. Bravo !! .


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Originally Posted by Carey
Adrian - Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed watching the various videos on your YouTube channel. The production values are EXCELLENT - and your playing is superb. Bravo !! .


Wow thanks that's a great compliment!


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