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Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) #2868060
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I just wanted to say this, because it's something i somehow just found out.. while i have this vst for quite some time, a few years actually. confused

Somehow i did not like it at all before, and i highly prefered ivory 1 and imperfect samples fazioli which were the vst piano's i owned at the time.


Now.. a few years later, i have an acoustic upright, and for silent playing i use garritan cfx and ravenscroft, I like all 3 of these options, but acoustic best by far.


So now this strange suprise

The last few days i was giving my older vst's a try, which i did not do in a long time, and now i like this Kawai EX pro alot actually. I now like it much better than ivory 1 and imperfect samples Fazioli (the fazioli sounds very nice but lacks playability) and now actually use the EX along with garritan cfx and ravenscroft, it's nice to switch between different piano's sometimes.

Strange! I think the reason might be that i now know what it is like to play a real piano, which i didn't before.. and i now recognize that this vst sounds very realistic, and maybe before i was just looking for a warm smooth sound or something.

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Re: Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) [Re: U3piano] #2868062
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I felt the same way about the Kawai EX Pro. I didn't like it ... and then a long while later I did. And I still do.

Re: Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) [Re: U3piano] #2868100
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Is the Kawai EX Pro the same as the EX concert in the CA,CS, and NV pianos?


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Re: Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) [Re: U3piano] #2868106
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I think not. Kawai puts the samples in their pianos. A company called Acousticsamples produced the Kawai EX Pro.

Re: Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) [Re: U3piano] #2868115
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I looked up Acousticsamples. Which I have never heard of before. This is a sample of the CX Concert grand that was in the Kennedy Center. Of course it is very old.

I think Kawai should update the EX sample in its pianos like they did the SKEX. It has a totally different tonal quality. Possibly more appropriate for jazz/pop music.


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Re: Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) [Re: U3piano] #2868141
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I've remember the Kawai EX Pro, it was one of the first piano vsts I considered. I liked the tone.


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Re: Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) [Re: U3piano] #2868191
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I've used the Acoustic Samples Kawai EX Pro in a live setting (alternating with Wholesounds' Baldwin Parlour Grand depending on the song) with a singer/guitarist and it worked beautifully. Very natural to play (used my Yamaha CP4 stage - 88 key, triple sensor hammer action). Great tone & dynamics (although a little lacking on the p-pp end).
Given the EX-Pro & Wholesounds Baldwin both run very efficiently in the free UVI player, it was easy to install it on my laptop, and it worked without a glitch.


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Re: Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) [Re: U3piano] #2868234
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Yes, I remember I used it a lot before to switch to the Ivory 2 American Concert D.

It sounds very beautiful, and in my opinion it renders the EX Concert Grand sound much better than the current engines in the Kawai digital pianos. More brilliant and more ringing, clean and detailed sound. But if I remember well I could feel the transitions from a layer to the next one and it was a little limited if you wanted to play piano/pianissimo parts, so it was very good to hear as a listener, but less good to play.

Maybe I have to try it again...

Re: Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) [Re: U3piano] #2868245
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I do agree it is a little limited in playing very softly compared to the newer great vst's, but it still plays very nice, and sounds very realistic to me!

Re: Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) [Re: U3piano] #2868261
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Setting aside velocity problems, the sound is the most realistic rendering of a Kawai EX concert grand piano I ever heard. I think that's possible only with totally unlooped samples.

In my opinion it's a shame that Kawai, Yamaha, Casio, etc., don't switch yet to fully unlooped samples for normal and sustained notes even on their top digital pianos. I know that that would require much memory, but now memory chips should not be so costly as 15-20 years ago and they are faster and have much larger storage capacity. But I think they continue to use a ~$50 mini-computer even on a ~$8000 digital piano...

Re: Kawai EX Pro vst (suprisingly nice) [Re: U3piano] #2868409
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The sustain on the EX Pro is quite good, one of it's strong points i would say.

I think it's ridiculous that all these brands still use looped samples on their top digital piano's. I would much rather pay a little bit more for one with a quality sound like one of the best vst's.


The majority of digital piano buyers are probably not even aware of the used sample technique, and if it's looped or not, so there is little reason for the manufacturers to make the product more expensive with unlooped samples. Still would be nice on the top models, for the people that want nothing but the best.


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