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Is the Kawai GL10 baby grand any good?
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Hi everyone

Has anyone got any experience of or owned this piano and is it a good buy?
Or would it be better to get an upright for the same money ?

I can get the GL10 in Australia for $11k fully prepped and delivered

Many thanks

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I have played it in the store. It is marvelous. The action is terrific. It would take a very expensive upright to be as satisfying to play. The GL20 has a bit better base. I am pleased with my NV10, but if I could I would trade straight across for a GL!0.



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I answered your question in the original thread.


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You're better off with a u1 or u3 upright. Those gl dont get good until you get to gl30 or gl40. I tried a bunch at a dealer. I will say they are a lot better than that Yamaha budget grand gbk1. That thing feels awful. It is really hard to find a new piano under 20k that plays at a conservatory level like you would find at a university.

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Look up Piano Buyer Piano Brands to see which Kawai grands are made in Japan .These would a much better buy .A 51 inch high German upright may be better than small grand .I have one of these, it
has a big sound ,which is also lush and singing, an all round lovely instrument. Good luck in your search .

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Kawai k300,also K500 are great pianos .If you can find a Petrof about 48 inches that would be very nice ! W Hoffman also make lovely pianos .

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As for being better off with a Yamaha upright than a smaller grand: If one wants and likes a grand action there's no sense in getting an upright. Also people often say a grand must be a certain size to be worth buying. Not always true and if space is limited a smaller grand may be the best purchase for home use. Against the popular arguments I went for smaller and have never regretted. Do not need a roaring bass in my apartment and my U1 is much less pleasant to play with it's loud bass register. So just remember you are buying for yourself and there are no set rules, just opinions of other piano people:) One thing I find important: I would never again buy a piano I have not tried out myself and compared to many other pianos. Also if you value your money, in pianos slightly used often can be a better option.

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I have a GL-10, I compared it with the K-300 and K-500. The uprights both had a nicer sound but I was most interested in the action, in particular having double escapement on the piano I use to practice with. The other aspects of the action were difficult to distinguish on the 3 models, although I gave slight preference to the GL. My wife isn't crazy about piano in general, so I play with the door closed, top down and a cover on to help mute the sound, so for me this was a perfect fit. I initially looked at Yamahas as well but had a preference for the feel of the kawai. I can't say whether your price represents a good buy, I'm in the US.


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I recently tried a couple GL-10s and 20s - I think they're solid choices overall in the 10-15K range . To me, the action was superior to my kawai K3, I recall it was easier to play pp and also play repetitive notes. However, the overall sound palette is not drastically different than my K3 - this for me is a deal-breaker.


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It depends on what you intend to play. I liked the GL-10 that I played quite a lot. Did it have the rumbling bass resonance of a 9' concert grand? No. But, its tone was lush and warm nonetheless. I prefer the feel to the Yamaha C1s I've played. It has a very nice grand piano action. And on that basis alone, it is better than any upright. I loathe upright piano actions. They simply don't (and cannot) play like even the smallest baby grands... let alone a baby grand with a full-size Kawai action.

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Originally Posted by Ira Paul
It depends on what you intend to play. I liked the GL-10 that I played quite a lot. Did it have the rumbling bass resonance of a 9' concert grand? No. But, its tone was lush and warm nonetheless. I prefer the feel to the Yamaha C1s I've played. It has a very nice grand piano action. And on that basis alone, it is better than any upright. I loathe upright piano actions. They simply don't (and cannot) play like even the smallest baby grands... let alone a baby grand with a full-size Kawai action.

thumb +1. Except I love the Yamaha C series. You’re paying the bill, if you really like Kawai GL10 and work out an acceptable price, buy it, play it, love it. Best of Luck!


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Originally Posted by Ira Paul
I loathe upright piano actions. They simply don't (and cannot) play like even the smallest baby grands... let alone a baby grand with a full-size Kawai action.

I've heard this same sentiment before here on the forums, and I do agree to an extent, but not entirely... You are most certainly entitled to your opinion and are encouraged to share it on the PW forums, along with the opinion of others.

As for me, and my opinion, I think it is good to play an assortment of different pianos and get a feel for different actions. For one, that will let you know for sure what you prefer or like best; secondly, it allows you to develop a skill set in which you can play fluently on a variety of different pianos, if that situation ever arises. And, thirdly, the variety in itself is somehow healthy for developing your control, agility and command of the keyboard of various piano actions, and not just one.

I prefer the action of my grand(s), as you say. But I also have a couple of uprights that I enjoy playing. I honestly think experiencing the variety and differences in the various piano actions is a good thing.

Just my oddball .02. smile

All the best,

Rick


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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by Ira Paul
I loathe upright piano actions. They simply don't (and cannot) play like even the smallest baby grands... let alone a baby grand with a full-size Kawai action.

I've heard this same sentiment before here on the forums, and I do agree to an extent, but not entirely... You are most certainly entitled to your opinion and are encouraged to share it on the PW forums, along with the opinion of others.

As for me, and my opinion, I think it is good to play an assortment of different pianos and get a feel for different actions. For one, that will let you know for sure what you prefer or like best; secondly, it allows you to develop a skill set in which you can play fluently on a variety of different pianos, if that situation ever arises. And, thirdly, the variety in itself is somehow healthy for developing your control, agility and command of the keyboard of various piano actions, and not just one.

I prefer the action of my grand(s), as you say. But I also have a couple of uprights that I enjoy playing. I honestly think experiencing the variety and differences in the various piano actions is a good thing.

Just my oddball .02. smile

All the best,

Rick


Rick, I like your reasoning. My friend, a guy with a degree in composition from Columbia University and fifty years at the keyboard, has played just about every piano under the sun. I’m jealous of his breadth of experience and want to play a variety of pianos, including an acoustic upright. My friend loves his Yamaha NU1, which has an upright action, if I recall correctly.

My teacher has a Steinway grand. I’ll probably never own one but it’s nice to be able to play on one every week.

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The debate between baby grand vs big upright will continue until the Zombie 🧟‍♀️ Apocalypse. Reny27- play as many different acoustic pianos as you can when deciding. Play big uprights, play smaller grands, play bigger grands. Pick whatever you like best that fits in your home and budget.


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The other thing is, I do think there are differences between the 5' grands of Yamaha, Kawai, and Boston (those are the ones I've played so far)and then also the 5'3" 5'4" or 5"5 of each.

If the goal is stay below a certain size, there are enough differences in each brand that I'm sure you can find a baby grand that you like. I didn't like the brand new Kawai GL10 that I played, although I liked a used GL10 better (different shop from the new one, I almost wonder if the new one purposely wasn't well-prepped to make some of the other pianos there sound better. That's too much conspiracy theory probably!)

And I wasn't expecting to like the Boston GP 163 (5'4") but I not only like it, I loved it. So there you go.


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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by Ira Paul
I loathe upright piano actions. They simply don't (and cannot) play like even the smallest baby grands... let alone a baby grand with a full-size Kawai action.

I've heard this same sentiment before here on the forums, and I do agree to an extent, but not entirely... You are most certainly entitled to your opinion and are encouraged to share it on the PW forums, along with the opinion of others.

As for me, and my opinion, I think it is good to play an assortment of different pianos and get a feel for different actions. For one, that will let you know for sure what you prefer or like best; secondly, it allows you to develop a skill set in which you can play fluently on a variety of different pianos, if that situation ever arises. And, thirdly, the variety in itself is somehow healthy for developing your control, agility and command of the keyboard of various piano actions, and not just one.

I prefer the action of my grand(s), as you say. But I also have a couple of uprights that I enjoy playing. I honestly think experiencing the variety and differences in the various piano actions is a good thing.

Just my oddball .02. smile

All the best,

Rick

I agree with Rickster and could never say I loathe any
reasonable piano.In the past I have met a few professional pianists and I was often amazed at how
modest thier approach is to various pianos ,uprights
grands,unknown brand whatever.
The same goes for many piano teachers especially today when so many do not or can not afford a decent
accoustic piano.The idea is to enjoy playing on what ever piano one owns.
It is amazing what an artist can do with the most basic
tools !

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Responding to the question of this thread, "Is the Kawai GL-10 baby grand any good?", I believe we can reply positively. It has the Millenium III (carbon fibre) action which Kawai claims is stronger and more stable than the traditional, all wooden piano action. It has longer keys than comparable 5' pianos. The longer keystick in comparison with other baby grand pianos, provides more more control and sensitivity of touch. Of course this is promotional information from Kawai about the specifications of the Kawai GL-10.
A piano is much more than just the sum of its parts and with the amazing choice of pianos available, constrained only by time and our budget, we can try comparable pianos and decide for ourself.
I agree completely with the final two sentences of Lady Bird's post.
kind regards,
Robert.

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Reny, are you back to piano shopping? Did you get rid of the other one you bought? I have a GL10 and really like it. It has the classic, velvety Kawai sound which I've always been partial to. You can find pianos with deeper bass, but I find the bass strings well balanced for this piano with a pleasing mellow tone. You can make it growl with the fortes, however.

One thing: rail bushings tend to be tight on these pianos, and new Japanese pianos in general, I've heard. Mine definitely was. Maybe ask your dealer if he'll ease the bushings. You can tell they're tight if you lift a key and it doesn't fall back down easily.

I'm a big fan of my GL10 and have yet to find a piano I like playing more.

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