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Re: Nord Piano Monitors
PianoManChuck #2867894 07/10/19 06:42 AM
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It's pricey but it depends where you buy it from. That whole exact package listed above rounds up to €3484 from Music Store de.

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Maconi #2867926 07/10/19 09:20 AM
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Exactly. As you said ...
Originally Posted by Maconi
"Optimised" for the Nord pianos, eh? And here I thought studio monitors were already supposed to accurately represent all sounds (piano or otherwise). whistle

And as Sweelinck said ...
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I’m skeptical that the optimization for Nord pianos is anything more than matching the red paint.

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Kodak film should be processed only at a Kodak-approved processor.


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Actually if you read the English description from Nord directly, they didn't say it was optimized for Nords internal sounds. What they actually say is they are optimized for optimal nearfield listening. Meaning close up, which is what nearly every small studio monitor on the market claims. Again marketing speech.

""Developed to give you the optimal nearfield listening the compact Nord Piano Monitor system lets you experience the true character of our renowned piano sounds with impressive depth and dynamics – a natural extension of our instruments. "


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You left out the first sentence of Nord’s Product Description. Here is the full text:
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The Nord Piano Monitor system is exclusively engineered for optimal dynamic reproduction of the electric and acoustic pianos in the Nord Piano Library. Developed to give you the optimal nearfield listening the compact Nord Piano Monitor system lets you experience the true character of our renowned piano sounds with impressive depth and dynamics – a natural extension of our instruments.


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So I guess these monitors are special ... for no particular reason.

Re: Nord Piano Monitors
PianoManChuck #2868128 07/10/19 08:25 PM
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Well, to be fair?

From my perspective, it's a slick package. Great nearfield monitors, optimally positioned with brackets, color coordinated, etc.

For me, it's not for home use. I've got a great AP sitting in my living room. I don't play the Nords at home. More for the quieter gigs, as I can easily feed the PA mix into my monitors.

Not that I'm going to pull the trigger anytime soon, but I get the appeal.


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Turns out these are made by AudioPro, and appear to be the same as, or very similar to the AudioPro T14:

https://us.audiopro.com/product/addon-t14

but with a different plate amp and interface.

It appears that the Nord optimization is with the mounting brackets that are designed to place the speakers in an optimal listening location relative to the player.


My chronological list of the top 20 composers: Bach, Handel, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Mendelssohn, Chopin, Schumann, Wagner, Verdi, Brahms, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky, Mahler, Debussy, Bartok, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Shostakovich.
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Turns out these are made by AudioPro, and appear to be the same as, or very similar to the AudioPro T14:

https://us.audiopro.com/product/addon-t14

but with a different plate amp and interface.

It appears that the Nord optimization is with the mounting brackets that are designed to place the speakers in an optimal listening location relative to the player.


There is a simple test that somebody can do: go to a place where you can test the 'original' AudioPro and also Nord monitors. This can give more insights than reading specs and marketing claims.

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So, Mario. You don't believe in specs?
You don't believe in marketing claims?
You prefer a live test?

How dare you!? smile
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There is a simple test that somebody can do: go to a place where you can test the 'original' AudioPro and also Nord monitors. This can give more insights than reading specs and marketing claims.

Where would such a place be? Nord does say on their website that the monitors are made by AudioPro.


My chronological list of the top 20 composers: Bach, Handel, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Mendelssohn, Chopin, Schumann, Wagner, Verdi, Brahms, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky, Mahler, Debussy, Bartok, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Shostakovich.
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
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There is a simple test that somebody can do: go to a place where you can test the 'original' AudioPro and also Nord monitors. This can give more insights than reading specs and marketing claims.

Where would such a place be? Nord does say on their website that the monitors are made by AudioPro.


This information it's written in the very Nord monitors:

https://www.nordkeyboards.com/sites/default/files/files/products/images/npm/baksidor.jpg
https://www.oostendorp-muziek.nl/media/catalog/product/n/o/nord-pianomonitor.jpg

But it can be hard to find a place where you can test both monitors (I made a bit of online research and didn't have success), so we spend too much time speculating about specs and marketing claims.

https://www.audiopro.com/en/retailers/#
https://www.nordkeyboards.com/distributors

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But I would not buy AudioPro speakers as keyboard monitors, so this is not a comparison that I care about whatsoever. I was just trying to mention that the monitors are made by AudioPro.

The correct comparison is with other monitors you might consider as keyboard monitors. At $599/pair street price for the Nord’s there are a fair number of choices that cost the same or less. It is my expectation that there are other monitors costing half as much that will sound as good or better, but time will tell.


My chronological list of the top 20 composers: Bach, Handel, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Mendelssohn, Chopin, Schumann, Wagner, Verdi, Brahms, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky, Mahler, Debussy, Bartok, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Shostakovich.
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
But I would not buy AudioPro speakers as keyboard monitors, so this is not a comparison that I care about whatsoever. I was just trying to mention that the monitors are made by AudioPro.

The correct comparison is with other monitors you might consider as keyboard monitors. At $599/pair street price for the Nord’s there are a fair number of choices that cost the same or less. It is my expectation that there are other monitors costing half as much that will sound as good or better, but time will tell.


This comparison has to be put in the right context: there was a discussion going on whether Nord had actually done anything useful to adapt these monitors to their sounds. Of course, in a wider context it makes sense to compare Nord monitors and other monitors. You may have interest in a set of monitors that also fit Nord Brackets or that are painted red.

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The Stones painted it black.
Nord paints it red.
What else is there to say?

Re: Nord Piano Monitors
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That's not correct. The Stones told someone to paint it black, they didn't do it themselves. Nord do the painting. No comparison. grin

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OK, so Nord told Audio Pro to paint it red. smile

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I was able to glean some info about the Nord Piano monitors. The cases, tweeters, and woofers are the same as used in an Audio Pro Addon T14 speaker. The Nord and Audio Pro speakers have different plate amps.

Nord
Price: $599
Amps: 2x80W (one mono amp for each speaker, not bi-amped monitors)
Color: red

Audio Pro
Price: $399
Amps: 2x50W (one mono amp for each speaker, not bi-amped monitors)
Color: black or white

Plate amps have different interfaces, the Nords accepting 1/4” TS. The Nord plate amps do not support balanced connections (nor do the Audio Pro). Nord mounting brackets are optional and are priced at $99.

The Audio Pro speakers have fairly accentuated mid-bass— don’t know if that is corrected in the Nord’s. I think the press releases for the Nord Piano Monitors are filled with marketing hogwash.




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