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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2805707
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Not the best demo , but another look at least.


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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2805722
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The Nord rep claims that their monitors were calibrated and optimised for Nord's digital pianos.

As a bonus, Nord also may have tuned (purposefully or inadvertently) the monitors based on Nord stands and expected player positions (the rep calls these near-field monitors so there is that.)

Given "recent" advancements in active monitors, including cheap amplification and dsp schemes, I have heard some entry-level monitors perform surprisingly well. Nord's calibration work was probably relatively painless but might well yield good results. Nord makes some nice pianos so I would hope the monitors maintain that reputation.

Depending on performance, the Red monitors & nifty stands could be an interesting option for other digital pianos, as well.

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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2867071
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Great stuff PianomanChuck. It really does look and sound fantastic. Many thanks for all your hard work,

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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: pmh] #2867103
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Great stuff PianomanChuck. It really does look and sound fantastic. Many thanks for all your hard work,

Paul h

Thanks Paul, much appreciated!! I'm just afraid that it might be hard to find a retailer that has this set up (and in a quiet area yet) for people to try. This is about as close as I could get to providing that experience online, but its absolutely no substitute for trying it out in person.


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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2867146
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The Nord rep claims that their monitors were calibrated and optimised for Nord's digital pianos

For which Nord sample are they optimized?


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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: Sweelinck] #2867225
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Damn good question! smile
And do I need to show proof that I have a Nord piano in order to buy some? (thinking of the Nespresso club HA HA)

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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: Sweelinck] #2867315
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
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The Nord rep claims that their monitors were calibrated and optimised for Nord's digital pianos

For which Nord sample are they optimized?

hahaha. Unlike generic studio monitors, the Nord monitors might benefit from some testing with typical digital piano sounds & special positioning with Nord's stands.

On the other hand, some monitor companies will have deeper acoustic engineering talent. That might not matter so much these days as Nord probably used some off-the-shelf modules and maybe tweaked a bit.

I think these are worth a look for anyone in the market for small monitors at this price range that likes bright red.

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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2867503
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This is a bit nitpicky, but I think Nord really missed an opportunity for elegant integration here. I can't believe the Nord Monitors are just wired up like a regular set of studio monitors. Once they're on their stands, you use random lengths of 1/4" TS cables to plug them into the Nord Grand? It would be nice if each monitor could draw power and sound directly from the keyboard, plugging into a single jack on the left and right back of the DP. Or have the connections integrated into the mounts themselves. That length of TS cable hanging between the right and left monitors was really a shame. It just feels like there wasn't very much effort put into it as a design, just find a set of monitors, paint them red, throw a bunch of cables in the box...

They could even keep all the standard power and audio hookup jacks in case you want to use them with other equipment, but provide a cleaner hookup for the Grand.


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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2867569
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Gombessa, I don't believe these monitors are only intended for the Nord Grand...

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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: Kawai James] #2867617
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Gombessa, I don't believe these monitors are only intended for the Nord Grand...

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Of course, which is why I said:

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They could even keep all the standard power and audio hookup jacks...


That keeps them broadly versatile.

But as they were released with the Grand, which was in development with the monitors. just saying it would have been nice to have a cleaner, more interested setup option when used with Nord pianos.

I had a setup with cables everywhere before, it got a bit old, so maybe I'm just especially biased against it!


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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2867627
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From Thomann:

Nord Grand: €3390
Nord Monitors: €499
Nord Monitor Brackets: €79
Nord Keyboard Stand Ex: €159 (or Nord Wood Keyboard Stand V2: €599)
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Total: €4127 (€4567 with the wooden stand)

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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2867680
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On the other hand, some monitor companies will have deeper acoustic engineering talent. That might not matter so much these days as Nord probably used some off-the-shelf modules and maybe tweaked a bit.

I’m skeptical that the optimization for Nord pianos is anything more than matching the red paint. If the sound were actually voiced to compensate for any non-linearities in a Nord piano sample, the monitors would have lower value as general purpose monitors. If Nord actually went to the trouble of implementing such an optimization, why would they put it in the monitors instead of in the keyboard itself?


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"Developed to give you the optimal nearfield listening the compact Nord Piano Monitor system lets you experience the true character of our renowned piano sounds with impressive depth and dynamics – a natural extension of our instruments. "

So basically they are just nearfield monitors painted red. So any decent studio monitors that size mounted that way will do the same.

Good marketing speech though.

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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2867706
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
From Thomann:

Nord Grand: €3390
Nord Monitors: €499
Nord Monitor Brackets: €79
Nord Keyboard Stand Ex: €159 (or Nord Wood Keyboard Stand V2: €599)
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Total: €4127 (€4567 with the wooden stand)

+ €79 for the music rest


Keep saving your dough - you're more then halfway to the N1X. You'll be glad you did 5 years down the line.

I can't believe any serious pianist that works on piano technique ( Jazz or Classical), after a year of fairly heavy practice, is going to be happy with the Nord Grand for home - as opposed to the N1X or Novus. Within 18 months that will be viewed as just another "disposable DP" waiting for the next big thing to spend money on.. You'd be throwing a ton of money at something that probably won't give you that much more fulfillment and functionality then something like the P-515 -- and you can add better monitors to any Yamaha/Roland/Kawai stage piano then the red ones. And the NG is too heavy for gigs.


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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2867715
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^ Dave, as always, you hit the nail on the head. I can see the appeal of some Nord keyboards as gigging keyboards but as a serious home piano with that combined price it’s already as much as a NU1X and you know which one I would choose in a blink smile


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Re: Nord Piano Monitors [Re: PianoManChuck] #2867721
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That's some fancy marketing. "Optimised" for the Nord pianos, eh? And here I thought studio monitors were already supposed to accurately represent all sounds (piano or otherwise). whistle

In order to get the proper frequency range you're going to need a sub + monitors (or super nice amped pro monitors that can reach low enough frequencies) IMO.

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Originally Posted by Maconi
That's some fancy marketing. "Optimised" for the Nord pianos, eh? And here I thought studio monitors were already supposed to accurately represent all sounds (piano or otherwise).


Humans are not machines with a 'flat frequency response hearing' and what can sound good for some does not satisfy others. Nord sounds are very distinctive (you may like them or not) and Nord followers expect monitors that transmit their character. Can this be done with any studio monitors? No, because although all studio monitors supposedly reproduce accurately all sounds, they all sound something different. But what is the proof that Nord monitors are the best option for Nord keyboards? Your hears, but they can be somehow deceived by the red color.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
From Thomann:

Nord Grand: €3390
Nord Monitors: €499
Nord Monitor Brackets: €79
Nord Keyboard Stand Ex: €159 (or Nord Wood Keyboard Stand V2: €599)
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Total: €4127 (€4567 with the wooden stand)

+ €79 for the music rest


This is too painful to see. And Nord Electro 6d offers so many good things if you already have some DP with a decent key action.

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