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I actually started playing around with the piano (and organ) when I was 9 years old. But at 10 I started guitar. Around age 12 I was really good on guitar and decided to learn my way around the piano, so I figured out the notes and the triads and some parts of songs (All The Way From Memphis!). Anyway, here it is 40 years later, I can improvise and play pretty well but mostly with my right hand.

So now I've decided to learn properly. I have the Alfred Adult course books and I got "A Dozen A Day" Prep book and book 1.

Here's my (first) question:
The first exercise in Dozen is just playing CDEFG GFEDC, so 12345. In C this is easy and in most keys, no problem figuring out the fingering. The question is, should I always try to play this (in other keys) using a 12345 fingering? Or do I use the fingering I would use when playing the scale?

For example, if I play this in Bb should I use (finger) 1 on Bb and 5 on F or use 3 on Bb and 4 on F?

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Hi Ziggy and welcome to this forum! There are many more like you here that have learned to piano as a child, and later returned. Not me though.

First of all, I think that yes, when you transpose five notes in a row like that, you should follow the fingering of that scale. However, the fingering of Bb does not start with 1. Right hand ascending starts with 2 (or 4), and then continues 123 1234, and left hand ascending starts with 3 and then continues with 21 4321 3


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Originally Posted by Animisha
Hi Ziggy and welcome to this forum! There are many more like you here that have learned to piano as a child, and later returned. Not me though.

First of all, I think that yes, when you transpose five notes in a row like that, you should follow the fingering of that scale. However, the fingering of Bb does not start with 1. Right hand ascending starts with 2 (or 4), and then continues 123 1234, and left hand ascending starts with 3 and then continues with 21 4321 3


Welcome Ziggy.

Way back in the day my teacher had me do it both ways. Take Animisha Bb scale example. Do both ways to have the fingers in different positions like they will be when playing actual music. He didn't want me to go crazy on them but still to practice them. So I think they both have a place to practice them to get your hand accustomed to the layout of the keyboard smile


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The fingering you are shown for scales is ultimately only a suggested fingering scheme.

Ultimately, you use whichever fingers works for you in a given situation.

It may not be the same every time you play that phrase.

Bottom line …. Do not get too caught up in using a particular fingering scheme for anything.

Good Luck


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Thank you all for your replies. I think I am getting my head around piano fingerings. I've done a lot of work on guitar fingerings and that work definitely carries over (i.e. I have good finger control in both hands).

I don't get too bogged down in the fingerings, I just like to have excellent form when practicing so that when I play I can just play. To paraphrase Yogi, you can't play an instrument and think at the same time!

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Originally Posted by dmd
The fingering you are shown for scales is ultimately only a suggested fingering scheme.

Ultimately, you use whichever fingers works for you in a given situation.


Indeed. The primary goal of the standard fingering scheme for most scales is simply to avoid needing to use your thumb on a black key.


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Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
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The fingering you are shown for scales is ultimately only a suggested fingering scheme.

Ultimately, you use whichever fingers works for you in a given situation.


Indeed. The primary goal of the standard fingering scheme for most scales is simply to avoid needing to use your thumb on a black key.


Yet playing a black key with the thumb happens quite a bit in classical repertiore, lol. Go figure. 😊


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The thumb was (apparently) never used in keyboard music except for octaves until Bach (J.S. or CPE). Maybe.

A scale was played 2-3-4-2-3-4-2-3........ grin

These days, anything goes. A very rapid scale might have to be played 1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5 for instance. Similarly, a very rapid arpeggio 1-2-3-5-1-2-3-5. Tone clusters have to played with the fist. The nose can be used for outlying single notes.

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When I first started I had a few lessons and knew the fingering of C and G scales. My 'teach yourself' method meant I played all scales with that fingering - it's quite awkward - so when I finally saw someone else who had learnt to play 'properly' playing scales I noticed the difference, 'invested in' a book of scales and arpeggios and relearnt the things. That improved my playing considerably - so I'd be keen to use the recommended scale fingerings from the outset where I in your position. By all means, though, experiment using the 12345 fingering on them - it's interesting to see the difference.


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