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I am very excited to join the forum and would like to say hello to everyone.
I am 53 years old and have always wanted to play piano so I recently took the plunge and bought a used Casio CPD 100. I really have no idea how to start and that is what lead me here. I have just downloaded the Hanon guide and I am slowly (very) working my way through page one. Any suggestions or recommendations will be warmly welcome. I look forward to picking up some tips and tricks.

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Originally Posted by MySteinway
I am very excited to join the forum and would like to say hello to everyone.
I am 53 years old and have always wanted to play piano so I recently took the plunge and bought a used Casio CPD 100. I really have no idea how to start and that is what lead me here. I have just downloaded the Hanon guide and I am slowly (very) working my way through page one. Any suggestions or recommendations will be warmly welcome. I look forward to picking up some tips and tricks.

Thanks for reading.

Welcome to PW.

I strongly suggest you not start learning to play the piano via the Hanon exercises. This has nothing to do with the efficacy of Hanon's 60 exercises - just that we are in 2019 and there are better materials to use to learn to play the piano, even on one's own then these 146 year old exercises.


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Do yourself a favor and get a teacher.

That will get you going in the right direction and will make things much more efficient.

Otherwise you will be just guessing or doing whatever somebody else says you should do.

Get a teacher and then do what the teacher decides is best for you.

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Welcome MySteinway.

I would agree that Hanon is not the ideal beginner material, but if you take some of the advocated precautions (don't overdo it for one) you might gain some benefit. Certainly as a beginner, even achieving a certain proficiency with No 1 was a confidence booster for me, so I would not dismiss it out of hand. However, exercises are best kept as a minor activity, while playing real music should be your primary goal.

Perhaps, look to one of the popular method books would be a good place to start if you intend to self teach.


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Originally Posted by earlofmar
Welcome MySteinway.

I would agree that Hanon is not the ideal beginner material, but if you take some of the advocated precautions (don't overdo it for one) you might gain some benefit. Certainly as a beginner, even achieving a certain proficiency with No 1 was a confidence booster for me, so I would not dismiss it out of hand. However, exercises are best kept as a minor activity, while playing real music should be your primary goal.

Perhaps, look to one of the popular method books would be a good place to start if you intend to self teach.


+1. And welcome to the forum. Enjoy your new journey.



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Thank you everyone for your replies. Unfortunately, funds and my erratic work schedule makes a teacher not an option (I work 60-70 hours a week and a non linear schedule) If there are any books or online courses (free or low price) I would be very grateful.

Thanks again everyone.

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You didn't say what you want to play, classical, pop or jazz. Search Youtube with piano lessons, there is a lot of different lessons and style.



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Originally Posted by MySteinway
Thank you everyone for your replies. Unfortunately, funds and my erratic work schedule makes a teacher not an option (I work 60-70 hours a week and a non linear schedule) If there are any books or online courses (free or low price) I would be very grateful.

Thanks again everyone.


Faber's blog is a good and free website to start with.

And this is the first lesson from Piano Career Academy, also for free.


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Thanks, just a bit of background, I started to learn drums at 11 and played in bands for many years. I was self taught and learned some rudiments but never quite made myself happy musically. I did some studio work and was amazed at the beauty of the piano playing of some of the musicians and that was when I felt I wanted to learn to play. Fast forward 20 years and after coming across some you tube videos about people documented 1 year progress, I decided to take the plunge and found a used Casio CPD 100 (it seemed to get good reviews) and now I am starting this week.

Growing up with all sorts of music, I want to learn everything,obviously pop and rock and R&B and all that stuff but eventually classical because that is what I listen to mostly. I did search you tube and thats why I downloaded the Hanon technique as there were many videos about how they had helped thousands of beginners but based on the replies, I may have started on the wrong foot.

All advice is much appreciated.

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Just a reflection. I have heard people expressing doubt about the great progress some people seem to make in some of these one-year youtube videos. Especially with an erratic work schedule and no teacher, I think you'll need to have very realistic expectations about what you can achieve in a year.
But on the other hand, there is no hurry. You are at least 20 years younger than a great group of us adult beginners - so time is still very much on your side.


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That's a good observation. True or not, they definitely inspired me and gave me the kick in the pants I needed. I am mainly looking for a process that I can do every day to give me the best start on this journey.....I'm still looking.

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Everyone gets their inspiration from different sources. Mine was largely from movies that depicted a "regular guy" who had this hidden ability to play piano, I would always say I wish I could do that. An example of one is Beautiful Girls, where Timothy Hutton plays in a bar, or The Fabulous Baker Boys, or others.

I grew up with Rock (for decades) and that's where I figured I'd head. I ended up learning more and becoming interested more in Classical after beginning lessons, and that has become my main focus. It has unexpectedly evolved this way and I couldn't be happier.

The Hanon exercises are good, I used them in the beginning, yet the truth is (as alluded to by others), they are best when meant for a specific purpose. Wrist rotation, Finger shifting, pinky strength, finger independence. When learning them blindly, this is glossed over and their usefulness is diluted or lost...or worse, they can lead to injury. Truthfully, I didn't do them properly even with instruction (poor instruction) and they were a waste of time.

Most of us adult beginners began with method books. They're a little boring and I didn't love them, but they serve a purpose. A teacher is definitely a great help, but if you can't do it, you can still learn and have fun, but the risk is of inefficiency or picking up bad habits. If you're diligent and ask the right questions, you can be guided efficiently however.

Glad you're motivated - enjoy, and good luck. It's totally worth it!


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Originally Posted by MySteinway
Thank you everyone for your replies. Unfortunately, funds and my erratic work schedule makes a teacher not an option (I work 60-70 hours a week and a non linear schedule) If there are any books or online courses (free or low price) I would be very grateful.

Thanks again everyone.


I’d urge you to reconsider. Playing the piano is a highly technical skill that really can’t be learnt from a book or video. If you don’t have a teacher you’ll have all sorts of bad habits, and the longer you leave them uncorrected, the more ingrained and difficult to put right they’ll become. I learn my practice pieces on my own, but in my lessons my teacher spends most of his time correcting the awful mistakes I’m making. I shudder to think what my playing technique would now be like had I never been corrected.

Many people have busy work schedules, but even if you can’t afford regular lessons, an occasional one will make the world of difference.


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Welcome! I started playing recently (though I did spend a fair amount of time examining piano resources beforehand), and can share a bit about two online courses I used.

The first one is Musiah. It costs $25 a month, but there's a free 14 day evaluation period. I also used the promo code IPAD to extend the trial period by another 2 weeks. (Not sure how long the code will be valid, but it worked when I signed up in May.)
It's light on piano technique, but it gets a lot of other things right in my opinion. The instructor walks you through small sections of each piece, focusing on a single aspect at a time, such as left hand, right hand, rhythm, or musical notation. You then have to pass an audition, in which you perform that piece to a satisfactory level, before progressing to the next song. The gamification kept me going until my trial ran out. I really liked it, and I credit it with giving me motivation and confidence to continue. In terms of equipment, you'll need to be able to connect a computer or an iPad to your digital piano's MIDI port.

The other course I'm using is Piano For All. It is offered on Udemy, which frequently has sales for $12-13 per course. I purchased it for $10 through PCMag's online shop and saved a few bucks.

https://shop.pcmag.com/products/pianoforall-incredible-new-way-to-learn-piano-keyboard

This course gets you off the ground almost immediately. It teaches you chords, which you use to learn a number of songs. I really like this approach as well. However, the downside for me was that there isn't much guidance on how much to practice each song before moving on.
Unlike Musiah, it requires no equipment other than your piano. You read each short chapter, watch video demonstrations, then practice what you learned.

The biggest question, I think, for most beginners, myself included, is how they will find motivation when things get tough. It's something I'll continue to ponder, but for the time being it means finding a teacher I can check in with, working across a variety of skills so that when I'm bored of one thing I can work on something else.I also began a log here to keep myself accountable. It's an issue worth thinking about, I think!

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I appreciate all the suggestions, a teacher is not an option right now so I'll have see if I can do that in the future. Opsimath, I just bought the course you suggested and it looks exciting.

Thanks again everyone, all you suggestions were considered but my current lifestyle limits my options.

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Hi there And welcome. I still consider myself new to piano, even after a year, I guess the bar just moves higher and higher. I have to say I agree that a teacher, even if for just a few lessons, can get you on to the right path. I took lessons for a year, enough to set me off with a good understanding on the techniques, basic theory, and reading and understanding sheet music. I progressed from my first time embarassing tune "The choo choo train" to now playing some well known Beethoven and Einaudi pieces. I've no desire to be a professional pianist . I'm a mother and housewife who wants to learn it because I love it and before it's "too late" so to speak. So I initially, cluelessly, dived in with simply wanting to learn a few pop songs that I like. That desire sort of disappeared when my course book songs introduced me to many beautiful classical songs, which before then I couldn't possibly name (or had never heard of)... waltzes, folk songs, ballads, classical pieces, so I moved into practicing the songs I liked the most. I've realized ithat playing piano is a long and rewarding journey, and often too, a personal one as you discover the musician inside you.

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Best of luck! I hope that you'll continue to check in, and let us know how you're getting along. The most important thing for us adult beginners, in my opinion, is to not quit.

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Thanks everyone, my scales are getting better and I am learning to read music with a free online course from the Open University in the UK. With my crazy work schedule, I am doing the best with practice and staying focused and positive.

Thanks to everyone who have commented and gave me advice, it is appreciated.

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Originally Posted by MySteinway
Thanks everyone, my scales are getting better and I am learning to read music with a free online course from the Open University in the UK. With my crazy work schedule, I am doing the best with practice and staying focused and positive.

Thanks to everyone who have commented and gave me advice, it is appreciated.



Great to hear you're getting on so well despite having a crazy schedule! May I ask which course you are doing, only I was thinking of doing some type of free music course myself but not sure how effective or do-able they are without tutor support.


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