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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Kenny Cheng] #2860784 06/20/19 08:12 AM
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Playing to backing tracks is such a great way to improve your piano playing skills as Mike does in the previous funk video. It doesn't always work like Mike did when he made a few mistakes, but he understands how to get out of the error and cover up his mistakes. I play to backing tracks all the time playing guitar. Try this too: Play to backing tracks with your eyes closed and it will open up a whole new way of playing. You learn to play from the heart and not the head.

I have decided to go to Sweetwater at the beginning of August; when they will be receiving their first batch of Nord Grand pianos. This is from salesman, Gage, at Sweetwater.

Hopefully, I will be able to play the Nord Grand, NU1X, N1X, CLP-695GP, and N3X all at the same place to make my final decision. The order I have put those pianos in is the same order of preference I have in getting a new piano. I am bored playing the Kawai samples and need a different sound. I really like the Roland PHA50 action but am not a fan of the sounds. And no, I do not want to tweak the knobs of Pianoteq. Been there and have done that too many times. Enough clutter and wires and "let's just try the next patch" which always leads me to sound confusion. Play the da*n piano, would you please!

That's it, I'm done, finished, kaput, the end, moving on. Until August...


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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Kenny Cheng] #2861022 06/20/19 06:13 PM
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The Nord Grand manual is now online: Nord Grand Manual


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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Kenny Cheng] #2862077 06/23/19 04:53 PM
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Quick review from Netherland:
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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Kenny Cheng] #2862088 06/23/19 05:35 PM
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Another presentation of White grand sample:
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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Kenny Cheng] #2862803 06/25/19 11:56 PM
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Nord Grand $3499
Kawai MP7SE $1799

Apparently they have the same action, but different samples, models, and user interface.


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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Kenny Cheng] #2862805 06/26/19 12:04 AM
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Two times more expensive isn’t that bad taking in mind how many excellent piano samples there are for Nord and all the other samples.


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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Sweelinck] #2862817 06/26/19 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Nord Grand $3499
Kawai MP7SE $1799

Apparently they have the same action, but different samples, models, and user interface.

They have a similar (bit not identical) action, and nothing else in common other than being digital pianos.

Probably the best way to look at it is that it's a $3k Nord Piano 4 that you pay $500 more for to get a version of the MP7SE action and upgraded aesthetics/ergonomics.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Probably the best way to look at it is that it's a $3k Nord Piano 4 that you pay $500 more for to get a version of the MP7SE action and upgraded aesthetics/ergonomics.


And double the (piano) sample memory.


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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Kenny Cheng] #2863118 06/26/19 06:31 PM
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I like Nord keyboards. The pianos that ship with the two keyboards in question probably would not be the deciding factor for me. I would value that Nord keyboards can update the piano samples easily when new samples are released. I’m not sure how well that is supported in the Kawai. The Nord EPs May be better than Kawai’s. But polyphony of the synthesizer sounds (46 notes) in the Nord may be too low to support layering of sounds without being susceptible to note stealing. And the absence of harpsichord sounds in the Nord would be a showstopper for me personally even if the prices were the same, although I understand that would not matter to many others.

You could buy a Roland Integra-7 midi module with the cost difference and still have cash left over.


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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Kenny Cheng] #2863143 06/26/19 08:42 PM
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There are multiple harpsichords in the Nord library. You are covered.


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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Sweelinck] #2863156 06/26/19 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
But polyphony of the synthesizer sounds (46 notes) in the Nord may be too low to support layering of sounds without being susceptible to note stealing.


May I ask if you are speaking from experience having played a Nord instrument?

The number may seem low (compared to other manufacturer's boards), however I do not recall ever reading a post from Nord customers complaining of note stealing.

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I call for a ten-year mandatory sentence for anyone caught stealing notes; be it Nord, Yamaha, or Kawai, note-stealing is not what our founding fathers -Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven- envisioned for us.
Say no to note-stealing!

Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Sweelinck] #2863164 06/26/19 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
I like Nord keyboards. The pianos that ship with the two keyboards in question probably would not be the deciding factor for me. I would value that Nord keyboards can update the piano samples easily when new samples are released. I’m not sure how well that is supported in the Kawai.

Kawai samples are fixed at birth.

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The Nord EPs May be better than Kawai’s.

I haven't heard the recent Nord updates, but at least up until then, I actually preferred Kawai's EPs.

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IBut polyphony of the synthesizer sounds (46 notes) in the Nord may be too low to support layering of sounds without being susceptible to note stealing.

The Nord doesn't let you layer two synth sounds, so problem solved. ;-) (And when you layer a piano sound with a synth sound, the polyphony of one does not affect the polyphony of the other.)

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But polyphony of the synthesizer sounds (46 notes) in the Nord may be too low to support layering of sounds without being susceptible to note stealing.


May I ask if you are speaking from experience having played a Nord instrument?

The number may seem low (compared to other manufacturer's boards), however I do not recall ever reading a post from Nord customers complaining of note stealing.

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I own a Nord C2, but there are no practical limitations with polyphony with this keyboard. Polyphony often can be an issue with virtual analog synthesizers. The Nord Lead 1 and 2x had 20 voices, bumped up to 26 in the Lead A1, which is the VA synth engine incorporated in the Nord Stage. But each voice can be 4-tone multi-timbral, so I think it would be like having 4x26 = 104-voice polyphony as you only need large amounts of polyphony to layer tones.

If I understand the specs of the Nord Grand correctly, the Nord Grand has sampled synthesizers instead of modeled VA ones, with 46 voices of polyphony. So, what players have experienced with other Nord keyboards is not representative of the Nord Grand.

As far as the Nord harpsichord sound goes— how does one go about trying it out before buying a keyboard? Thrown into the sample library without including it in a keyboard is not suggestive of a top-tier sample, but maybe it is quite good. Most Nord sounds are.






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The Nord doesn't let you layer two synth sounds, so problem solved. ;-)

Or problem created (no layering).


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Originally Posted by Sweelinck

As far as the Nord harpsichord sound goes— how does one go about trying it out before buying a keyboard? Thrown into the sample library without including it in a keyboard is not suggestive of a top-tier sample, but maybe it is quite good. Most Nord sounds are.

You can preview what any of the samples (including harpsichord) sound like by going to the appropriate sound library on the nord site.

Nord sample library 2: https://www.nordkeyboards.com/sound-libraries/nord-sample-library-20
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Nord sample library 3: https://www.nordkeyboards.com/sound-libraries/nord-sample-library-30

Click on Piano to get to harpsichords. From there you can hit the play button next to the sample you're interested in before you download it.


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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action [Re: Kenny Cheng] #2863189 06/27/19 01:30 AM
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That’s not the same as playing it. But anyway, I was not wanting to debate the relative merits of the MP7SE and Nord Grand. It is a steep price difference that will not be worth it to some, but may be to others, given they will have virtually the same action.


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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
That’s not the same as playing it. But anyway, I was not wanting to debate the relative merits of the MP7SE and Nord Grand. It is a steep price difference that will not be worth it to some, but may be to others, given they will have virtually the same action.

It remains to be seen how "same" the action actually feels in practice, between the modifications made for this version of the action, and how the actions are mated to the sounds in terms of velocity curve and such.

But sure, if someone says, wow I love the Kawai RHIII, what's the cheapest board where I can get something like that, it's not going to be the Nord. You buy the Nord for reasons other than wanting that kind of action. I don't think there are very many people who choose their keyboards this way you describe. I mean, your line "It is a steep price difference that will not be worth it to some, but may be to others, given they will have virtually the same action" could just as easily be applied to choosing between a Korg D1 and a Korg Kronos 88, among other similar comparisons. The question isn't how the Nord Grand compares to the Kawai, but rather how it compares to the Nord Piano. The Nord Grand is largely for the Nord Piano customer who thinks, "this is the board I want, I just wish it felt more like a Kawai."

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It's a matter of time before it hits stores and hands-on reviews start pouring in. From what i see on Instagram tags, it looks like most stores should have it by the end of July. I also read that there's a lot of pre orders for it.

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But sure, if someone says, wow I love the Kawai RHIII, what's the cheapest board where I can get something like that, it's not going to be the Nord. You buy the Nord for reasons other than wanting that kind of action. I don't think there are very many people who choose their keyboards this way you describe.

No, but they may also take into account that the kawai sounds are also very good.


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