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Hi,

I'm selling my early model Roland FP4 B.

Think I bought it in about 2010. It's in very good condition, just few hairline marks on the metal case, comes with the extra fixed-leg wooden stand, plus X stand, the music stand, and new M-audio damper pedal.

I can't seem to find a guide to used prices here in the UK. Selling to help fund a new gig piano - Yamaha P115. Don't want to overprice or give it away.

Any thoughts much appreciated.

Cheers!

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Some ways to come up with a price:
- look at new models that are more or less comparable and then think how much cheaper should a used device be to make you choose it over a brand new one
- If you have a price in mind already, have a look at what else can be bought at that price as new and then think does the FP4 bring any benefit over a brand new unit

The current model FP-30 is somewhat comparable with the FP4, though it lacks the full GM2 sound set and the "Session partner" backing tracks (It does have some drum patterns and some backing tracks via a phone/tablet app.). It can be had for around 800 £ as a whole "home bundle" with the stand, pedal bar, bench and headphones and just the piano is around 500 £. And it's of course a much more modern model.

Somebody might complain about the lack of resonances in the FP4. (It has none?) It would be fine for a beginner/intermediate piano student or for somebody playing pop/rock/prog/jazz in a band or alone for fun.

Some of the cheap stage pianos could be had for less than 400 £. Some of the very cheap ones (Gear4music, Artesia, whatnot...) may be pretty bad, so a used Roland with a nice list of accessories might make sense. It might compete e.g. with the Yamaha P45 and Casio's CDP models that are around 300...400 £ with or without accessories.

Or not. What do I know. smile

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
- look at new models that are more or less comparable and then think how much cheaper should a used device be to make you choose it over a brand new one
- If you have a price in mind already, have a look at what else can be bought at that price as new and then think does the FP4 bring any benefit over a brand new unit

Your reasoning makes total sense to me.

At the very beginning of my research for a DP, I did look at the second hand market. Eventually I quickly gave up as the offers were extremely overpriced. At times even more expensive than the similar latest brand new model.

I guess that is because such offers were based on the original price when the piano was bought. Although, that is important for the owner, it is irrelevant for the potential customer who compares what is available on the current market.

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Or not. What do I know. smile

Same here! wink


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Honkytonkman,

Iv'e thought about the very same question your asking, I was going to sell my FP-4 a few years ago.
When I looked at what they were going for used, most were around $1000.
So I decided to keep it as a backup board to my Kawai ES8.

The FP-4 has a decent action and great build, (like Roland RD-700 quality) but its sounds are pretty weak. Ive always used mine as a controller.
Did you ever consider using a laptop and VST's with it? Have you tried the Yamaha P115? What did you think?


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Check the "Sold Listings" in eBay to see what they've gone for recently. FP4 is still a pretty desirable gigging board. It may not have the newest (i.s. SuperNatural) sounds, but compared to the FP30 mentioned, for example, it has real (5-pin DIN) MIDI jacks, dedicated Line In and Line Out jacks, beefier speakers.

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the roland fp4/ fp7 was when roland made awesome sounding pianos, they were gems...

I wish roland would bring back the fp4 sound engine...the new roland modelling engines are dissapointing

I am not sure why you would want to give up the fp4 , for a p115 (mind confused)...


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Hello Honkytonkman,

Originally Posted by Honkytonkman
I'm selling my early model Roland FP4 B...Selling to help fund a new gig piano - Yamaha P115.


This decisions is obviously completely up to you, however I'm a little curious as to why you're selling the FP4 in order to purchase a P115. Is there something that the P115 offers that the FP4 doesn't? Perhaps reduced weight?

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Honkytonkman,

Iv'e thought about the very same question your asking, I was going to sell my FP-4 a few years ago. Have you tried the Yamaha P115? What did you think?


Hi all.

Thanks for taking time to reply.

Yep, I tried the P115 and found the action a lot more pleasing (even though it's the baseline Graded Hammer Standard).

The FP4 feels a little flimsy and plasticky for me - I like a meaty action that I can dig into. My style is influenced by Leon Russell, Jerry Lee Lewis, with a lot of boogie left hand stuff. When I bought it, I needed a piano in a hurry as I'd been offered a few gigs and only had my 1988 Yamaha PF85 - a two-man weightlifting challenge. In my area the Roland was the best of the options.

I gig now with a Korg SP250 which, for a cheap plastic-shelled piano, has a much sturdier action and decent sounds. It actually looks a bit different with its faux retro styling. The downside is it's weight if I'm lugging it up stairs at older venues or carrying long distances from my car. I'm selling the Korg and FP4 to fund the new gig piano.

As Father Time catches up with me, I need a lighter piano and a Bose L1 type PA.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Some ways to come up with a price:
- look at new models that are more or less comparable and then think how much cheaper should a used device be to make you choose it over a brand new one
- If you have a price in mind already, have a look at what else can be bought at that price as new and then think does the FP4 bring any benefit over a brand new unit


Hi.

That's my thinking too. The benefits of cheap new pianos to a punter are the warranty and the newness factor. No child wants a slightly scuffed keyboard for their birthday. I've seen too much overpriced used kit which hasn't taken account depreciation.

Cheers!

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Mine sold on Craigslist for $600 about a year ago, in perfect condition.


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Honkytonkman, I own a Yamaha P115 and am very satisfied with the quality of its 14 sounds (= voices). In many reviews of the P115 its acoustic-piano sound is praised. However, its GHS key action is not very good according to me and many posts on this forum. Also, its dynamic range is not large. One can record two tracks of only one song. For three reviews, see

https://azpianonews.blogspot.be/201...-Piano-Portable-Review-Lowest-Price.html

https://www.pianodreamers.com/yamaha-p115-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEfAqjCoGzA



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I realize these are older posts regarding the Roland FP-4 digital piano but I thought I might bring this up anyway. I just yesterday purchased a new Yamaha P-515 and still have my Roland FP-4 that I have had for a few years now and would like to let it go. It has been very lightly used and has not one scratch or smudge on it. Same shape when originally purchased and I have no interest in selling it on Ebay or Craigs List. Is there anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area (especially the Peninsula) who might be willing to buy this digital? If so, let me know. If not, that's OK too. From what I have heard it would make a great controller.

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I still have my FP-7 and I use it with Pianoteq.



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Originally Posted by Honkytonkman
Hi,

I'm selling my early model Roland FP4 B.

Think I bought it in about 2010. It's in very good condition, just few hairline marks on the metal case, comes with the extra fixed-leg wooden stand, plus X stand, the music stand, and new M-audio damper pedal.

I can't seem to find a guide to used prices here in the UK. Selling to help fund a new gig piano - Yamaha P115. Don't want to overprice or give it away.

Any thoughts much appreciated.

Cheers!


This is what I do:

1) Go to ebay and search for completed listings for my model.
2) I list the sales sorting by furthers time away to nearest to now, and compare prices (observe price drop over time).
3) I price my initial ebay asking price about 20% above the average sale price over the last 18 months.
4) I decide how quick I want to sell. This guides my thinking about when and by how much to lower the price should no offer come.

Main take home message:

I think as important as the price, it is
a) Vital to advertise on many sites and also
b) Get the listing content/tone correct.

There are many articles out there on how to post a good ebay advert. I would check them out.

On the topic of how to write a listing, there are many posts on Pianoworld, so I won't cover old ground here. See MacMacMac's spreadsheet of Pianoworld topics, I'm sure you'll find lots of information useful to you.

Kind regards,

Doug.


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Thanks Doug. I did go on Ebay to see what it sold for and not one thing popped up. I'll have to re-check. As a note, I'm not interested in shipping to anyone and would rather just have someone locally or not too far away pick it up. No Craigs list for me. As for the price, I really don't need the extra money so the price would be more than fair.

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Lots of pianos listed on Ebay are for local pickup only. I don't know how many listing lead to a sale, but there are many listings.

But Craigs List was made for local sales. So why do you not want to use it?

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I've sold before on Craigs List. Lots of calls trying to sell me something instead of being interested in the item I'm selling and people not showing up when promised. I thought it just might be easier another way. But then again, I may go back to it one last time.

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I thought it over and decided I would take a chance and try Craigs List one more time. Thanks Mac.

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btcomm -

I saw your CL listing. Imo, you need to put a pic or two in there.

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Also, there may be a Facebook Marketplace page for your area to buy/sell items. That's a good place to use as well as CL.


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