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Re: 16th Tchaikovsky Competition
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Yeah, it tends to be the case that the pianists that are young and do go far sometimes cannot match the playing of their somewhat older peers. We've got the young Japanese guy from the Cliburn (not the most recent one but the one before that) whose Tchaik 1 unfortunately wasn't up to standard, and then of course, there was THE-NAME-THAT-SHOULD-NOT-BE-MENTIONED also passing to finals there and not really pulling it off.

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I remember reading not to program Schumann because every jury member might have their own favorite interpretation. That said IMO this Carnaval might not convince them.

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Likely/unlikely finalists from today's performers? I'd see finalist spots for Shishkin, Gugnin, possibly Gadjiev. Less sure about Meknikov, Kopachevsky, Yelemeyanov (a shame, he's an excellent musician) and An. Let's see.

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I thought Gugnin was the star of the day.

I was less enthralled with Shishkin (due to the program), but I would like to hear his concerti. Anybody know what he plans on doing for that round?

Completely unimportant, musically, but culturally significant is that pianist under 30 have little use for neckties, apparently. (Especially since the Great Hall is hot. 😁)


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Originally Posted by fnork
Likely/unlikely finalists from today's performers? I'd see finalist spots for Shishkin, Gugnin, possibly Gadjiev. Less sure about Meknikov, Kopachevsky, Yelemeyanov (a shame, he's an excellent musician) and An. Let's see.


Shishkin, Gadjiev, and Gugnin sounds accurate.

What I'm really interested in tomorrow's session is how Fujita's program will come across since he's playing two of the same pieces that Gugnin did (Chopin and Prokofiev). My guess is that he'll have a more straightforward interpretation. Sara's program looks the most diverse (Boulez, Bach, Chopin, Prokofiev) and Kenny's all depends on how the Night Wind sonata will come across.

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Aren't they going to play Mozart concertos?

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No Mozart concerti this time.

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Wow, that Prokofiev Sonata by Tarasevich was stunning! I think he'll make it to the finals

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Tarasevich seemed extremely secure in his rep, from the bits I heard. I'd be surprised if he didn't pass. Kantorow is more my kind of guy in terms of rep choices though, thought his Brahms was terrific. Funny how I initially wondered how Brahms would come across in a competition dedicated to a composer that strongly disliked his music, but when you think of it, that second sonata really has quite a bit of these heroic gestures, and a plethora of octave passages, which almost bring to mind various Tchaik things. They were extremely different composers, but some of the rhetorics/gestures in this early Brahms opus isn't miles away from Tchaik.

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Anyone else see Kopachevsky's haircut and think "Richard Clayderman?" I think his recital pieces were kind of in backwards order...he starts out with a showstopper performance of Carnival (really good) and ends up with a few of those cute little numbers from Peer Gynt (except that the "In the Hall of the Mountain King" transcription was definitely not the same one published in the "Everybody's Favorite Piano Pieces" book I played from when I was little).

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It's Grigory Ginzburg's transcription. Matsuev often plays it as an encore. Also felt doing that suite was rather out of place.

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Thoughts so far:

T-N - very solid and well delivered, as expected. I don't see how he won't pass and/or win a top prize (and he made a smart move of programming Beethoven in the finals). My biggest qualm is that his whole vibe from headshot to performance is "dour, dark Russian pianist." Is that really what Classical music needs now? The last winner had that feeling, too.

Fujita - bright and brilliant as per his preliminary round. Also as expected, his interpretations were perhaps more straightforward but nonetheless expertly done. He brought out some things in the Prokofiev I've never heard before, particularly in the last movement.

Broberg is nailing his recital now. I wouldn't be surprised if they let seven people into the finals as opposed to six.

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Broberg is totally involving throughout, not least in Medtner, which is held together very well. That piece is weird pianistically in the sense that nothing feels unplayable when you start working on it, and in fact, I could barely find a single passage in the 1st movement that didn't fall under the fingers quickly. But it's insanely taxing to convince with musically, keeping the bigger picture in mind, not to mention memorising it. I know many pianists that quickly came to regret learning it, because this is one of those pieces where once you learned the notes, you've still only done less than 10% of the work. Broberg had an amazing sense of pace, brought out inner voices I hadn't heard before, and used the full dynamic range at his disposal. I also didn't notice a single moment where he felt insecure or lost focus or forgot something. I did tune out in the last 8 min or so though. In any case, an outstanding achievement.

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Overall I find today's performances more engaging and solid.

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Well Broberg's Night Wind did not disappoint! Very well thought out, some interesting rhythmic and articulation emphasis that I've not heard before in the piece and really appreciated, he never got bogged down in the difficulty...I really enjoyed that performance.

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Memory slips in Bach might cost Daneshpour.
I was not impressed by the Barcarolle.

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Bold programming and plenty of powerful artistry on display here. Unfortunately, the slips in Bach came very untimely, and while I loved the Prokofiev overall then the slowed-down ending felt somewhat anti-climactic. Would love to hear more of her but given the insanely high level today, I am unsure if she'll pass. Unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by fnork
They were extremely different composers, but some of the rhetorics/gestures in this early Brahms opus isn't miles away from Tchaik.


The second Brahms concerto always reminds me of Tchaikovsky 1. There's something in the sound. Maybe it's all the B-flats... grin

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Fujita
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Originally Posted by fnork
Bold programming and plenty of powerful artistry on display here. Unfortunately, the slips in Bach came very untimely, and while I loved the Prokofiev overall then the slowed-down ending felt somewhat anti-climactic. Would love to hear more of her but given the insanely high level today, I am unsure if she'll pass. Unfortunately.


Agree overall. If you're going to play Bach again, you kinda have to slay it. I like the connection that she was trying to make between Boulez and Bach (hyper-intellectual, well-crafted, etc.), but it unfortunately didn't come out and probably went over everyone's heads. She's a great artist but just had a bad day and got spooked, it seems.

Kenny's Medtner was top-shelf. I honestly didn't care for the piece, but the performance was incredibly detailed, always under control, and expertly done.

Anna Geniushene played beautifully and had lots of power in the Prokofiev. I'm not really a fan of the Schumann but she made it work.

I think the for sure finalists are Shishkin, Gugnin, T-N, and Broberg. Probably Geniushene, too. I hope Fujita will make it, but if he doesn't we'll definitely see him in the next Chopin competition. I do have a feeling that they might allow one more person in.

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