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Breakdown of a Practice Session #2860885
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Nahre Sol is a Juilliard Graduate and aspiring composer who’s been making some fun and very interesting music videos, This one made me feel better about my practice sessions.



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Re: Breakdown of a Practice Session [Re: Groove On] #2860897
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I love her videos. Thanks for posting!


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Wait a minute, in that video she’s trying to practice intelligently to be more.....efficient? But someone here on another thread said “Efficiency is overrated”. Who should we believe, the Juilliard graduate or the random PW poster? I’m so confused (sarcasm).


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Originally Posted by John305
Wait a minute, in that video she’s trying to practice intelligently to be more.....efficient? But someone here on another thread said “Efficiency is overrated”. Who should we believe, the Juilliard graduate or the random PW poster? I’m so confused (sarcasm).



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It's much better to spend one's time learning how to be time-efficient when practicing (from YT videos, making 'must do' lists, devising complicated time-tables using mathematical concepts and formulae like dl2 = dx2 +dy2 = (x ̇dλ)2 +(y ̇dλ)2 = (x ̇2 +y ̇2)dλ2.) than it is to spend that time practicing.


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Re: Breakdown of a Practice Session [Re: Groove On] #2860979
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I'm only 1 year in, every time we bring up a new piece - my teacher is asking me what I notice looking over the score. And if I don't bring up all the right stuff....then there's the questions I'll have to answer! That's a real skill that needs to be developed, so cool thing for me to hear Nahre going through that. It's also humorous to see her goofing on the wasted time - I have just become aware of all the wasted time over the last 5 months....Thanks for posting


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Re: Breakdown of a Practice Session [Re: Groove On] #2860993
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One thing for certain: This person is no teacher. I started to skip through after the first half minute. If using a reference, I'd suggest Dr. Mortensen.
Btw,why does she start by playing through? At that level, wouldn't one be able to read through the score, even on a bus, for the first analysis and planning?

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Originally Posted by bennevis
It's much better to spend one's time learning how to be time-efficient when practicing (from YT videos, making 'must do' lists, devising complicated time-tables using mathematical concepts and formulae like dl2 = dx2 +dy2 = (x ̇dλ)2 +(y ̇dλ)2 = (x ̇2 +y ̇2)dλ2.) than it is to spend that time practicing.

It is much better to learn how to practice, than just throwing yourself mindlessly at the notes hoping eventually that it will get better. If you are being mistaught, then it is indeed worth your while to dig yourself out of that hole. That does not mean that you "learn" how to do stupid stuff - as in your example - which is NOT anything like efficient practice, but the opposite.

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Originally Posted by keystring
Originally Posted by bennevis
It's much better to spend one's time learning how to be time-efficient when practicing (from YT videos, making 'must do' lists, devising complicated time-tables using mathematical concepts and formulae like dl2 = dx2 +dy2 = (x ̇dλ)2 +(y ̇dλ)2 = (x ̇2 +y ̇2)dλ2.) than it is to spend that time practicing.

It is much better to learn how to practice, than just throwing yourself mindlessly at the notes hoping eventually that it will get better. If you are being mistaught, then it is indeed worth your while to dig yourself out of that hole. That does not mean that you "learn" how to do stupid stuff - as in your example - which is NOT anything like efficient practice, but the opposite.

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I remember my first teacher told me what I needed to work on ("count beats every time!"), my second teacher told me what to work on ("slow down and make sure every note is even!!"), my third teacher told me what to work on ("bring out the tune always!!!") and my fourth teacher told me what to work on ("don't be too aggressive! Soften your tone!!!!").

The rest was history, as they say........ smirk


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Originally Posted by keystring

Btw,why does she start by playing through? At that level, wouldn't one be able to read through the score, even on a bus, for the first analysis and planning?



My teacher has taught me to do the same thing when starting a new piece. The point is to get a lay of the land, so to speak. Yes, you can analyze with just the score and you can also begin the process by listening to a professional recording of the piece, both are very useful but I have found that the initial play through is also very valuable for doing some “recon” of the piece. In fact, it would be advantageous to do all of the above at the beginning of learning a piece. This allows you to come at it from various angles or vantage points, reading the score is a great mental exercise, listening would exercise you aural skills and the initial play through starts to get you aquatinted physically or in a tactile sense with the notes. Anyway, we all learn differently, so what may work for one may not work for another. Just wanted to give my perspective.


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Re: Breakdown of a Practice Session [Re: Groove On] #2861036
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I always start by playing through. Fingering and articulation are what I figure out right after reading through it to note the time signature and key changes. I also listen to a variety of different recordings while reading the music. It's like getting acquainted before making friends, lol. ❤️


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Re: Breakdown of a Practice Session [Re: Groove On] #2861092
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Originally Posted by keystring
One thing for certain: This person is no teacher.

That’s her appeal, she’s more musician than teacher. Think of the video as a “Show and Tell”, peeking over her shoulder to see what she actually does as opposed to what she “should” do. Notice the video title is a “Realistic” breakdown as opposed to a “Theoretical” one.

It’s humorous and very relatable when someone with a high level of knowledge and training makes the same mistakes, knows it and makes fun of herself in the process. That’s why I enjoyed the video.


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I love the part when she has a “I should quit” moment after listening to a recording of Agerich. Who doesn’t have those moments? She’s honest, funny, and genuine.


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Re: Breakdown of a Practice Session [Re: Groove On] #2861166
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Originally Posted by Groove On
Originally Posted by keystring
One thing for certain: This person is no teacher.

That’s her appeal, she’s more musician than teacher. Think of the video as a “Show and Tell”, peeking over her shoulder to see what she actually does as opposed to what she “should” do. Notice the video title is a “Realistic” breakdown as opposed to a “Theoretical” one.

It’s humorous and very relatable when someone with a high level of knowledge and training makes the same mistakes, knows it and makes fun of herself in the process. That’s why I enjoyed the video.


Yes, she is very appealing. She put a smile on my face.


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I think the most valuable thing that we can learn from this video is practicing with ease. It's important, I was going to write about it somewhere, but there was no occasion. Look, she is not blaming herself, she is not thinking that something is too hard or impossible for her, she is not obsessing about anything, she is not tensed, she is just practicing easily and joyfully!

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I think the most valuable thing that we can learn from this video is practicing with ease. It's important, I was going to write about it somewhere, but there was no occasion. Look, she is not blaming herself, she is not thinking that something is too hard or impossible for her, she is not obsessing about anything, she is not tensed, she is just practicing easily and joyfully!


Well, don't forget that she's also doing it for publicity and if she comes across as fun, relatable etc. she'll get more likes/followers and positive feedback. I'm quite sure she does display those other, normal, tendencies depending on the work/rep as she's only human.

But this isn't what i wanted to say.....

Two things:

1) Practising with a phone in front of me would be such a huge distraction and I'd never encourage anyone learning a score, at whatever level, to think that's a productive thing to encourage.

2) I note the comments on her initially sight-reading the piece and I really am in two minds about this. I've always believed that muscle memory is such a big thing and that memory is formed from the first play through. It's so hard to eradicate mistakes after they've been played the first time. I've always believed in tackling small sections at a time, with a pulse, working out rhythms, fingers etc. and thus detecting any mistakes before they occur.

THAT SAID, it's also a wonderful opportunity to practise sight-reading and, as someone else mentioned, getting a feel of the piece.

I'd love to know what others think about her initial play-through and whether it does more harm than good.

I must also say, what a terrible piece of music to have to listen to laugh

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I watched the video through this time. It actually has a few of the approaches that I have learned. I think originally I was looking at it as a kind of teaching video rather than "throwing together some ideas of what I do" kind of video - so I was looking at it the wrong way.

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I had to make sure this was in adult beginners?

Heavens she's terrifically advanced! When you have 20 years experience give or take 5 years, you too can analyze and practice like her. Until then keep hammering out the scales and arpeggios in a super relaxed manner, no unnecessary tension. You'll never be able to do what she's doing if you play with tension.


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Originally Posted by Fidel
I had to make sure this was in adult beginners?

Heavens she's terrifically advanced! When you have 20 years experience give or take 5 years, you too can analyze and practice like her. Until then keep hammering out the scales and arpeggios in a super relaxed manner, no unnecessary tension. You'll never be able to do what she's doing if you play with tension.


She studied at Juilliard. She’s a terrific player and is getting more into composing. All of her videos are excellent.

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