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Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt #2860515
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I would like to know the best edition, preferably in sheet music for only this piece at the difficult level. So I do not want the simple version edited by Bendel.

Can anybody help because at the music store, they don't have enough information about the editions.

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Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: Candywoman] #2860691
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Just print one off imslp. It's free.

Or, if quality matters to you, try Editio Musica Budapest. It will cost you three arms and five legs.


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Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: AZNpiano] #2860701
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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Just print one off imslp. It's free.

imslp has various editions. If going that route, then at least if you're knowledgeable you can compare editions to see which is best.

Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: keystring] #2860926
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Just print one off imslp. It's free.

imslp has various editions. If going that route, then at least if you're knowledgeable you can compare editions to see which is best.

No, my point was that the resource is free. I already have three (and maybe four?) different printed editions of the said piece, so I don't need to rely on imslp for that specific work. Also, the scan quality on imslp is highly uneven, so you might get lucky and download a pristine copy, or not.


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Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: Candywoman] #2861057
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As a music teacher, I try to support publishers whenever possible and would not dream of downloading a score like this. However, the suggestion to view it on imslp was a good one.

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To fully support publishers go ahead and purchase every available edition.


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Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: Candywoman] #2861111
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Originally Posted by Candywoman
As a music teacher, I try to support publishers whenever possible and would not dream of downloading a score like this. However, the suggestion to view it on imslp was a good one.

Oh, please. Publishers that produce garbage deserve to go out of business. I'm so sick and tired of publishers that photocopy 19th-century editions on crummy paper and charge $18 for it. Even some contemporary editions of living composers belong to the garbage category. It's like, once they've secured international copyright, they can make the WORST EDITION POSSIBLE, laden with errors, and make people cough up $35 for the privilege.

If you want to support publishers, then support those who do intelligent, honest, scholarly work and who don't skimp on paper quality and print quality.


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Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: AZNpiano] #2861227
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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Originally Posted by Candywoman
As a music teacher, I try to support publishers whenever possible and would not dream of downloading a score like this. However, the suggestion to view it on imslp was a good one.

Oh, please. Publishers that produce garbage deserve to go out of business. I'm so sick and tired of publishers that photocopy 19th-century editions on crummy paper and charge $18 for it. Even some contemporary editions of living composers belong to the garbage category. It's like, once they've secured international copyright, they can make the WORST EDITION POSSIBLE, laden with errors, and make people cough up $35 for the privilege.

If you want to support publishers, then support those who do intelligent, honest, scholarly work and who don't skimp on paper quality and print quality.


^This.


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Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: Candywoman] #2861240
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Hence, my question.

"Can you suggest the best edition based on your experience?" was the essence of my question.


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Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: Candywoman] #2861371
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Originally Posted by Candywoman
Hence, my question.

"Can you suggest the best edition based on your experience?" was the essence of my question.


A specific reference edition was recommended here.


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Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: AZNpiano] #2861584
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I am mystified by some of the responses to Candywoman's question. I don't know if I'm seeing some reactions - maybe sarcasm once? - which if so, also mystify me. The question made sense to me:

If you are teaching a piece, then you want an edition that is reliable. That means it has the right notes - no interpretation of notes; no simplification of notes "for students", and if it has fingering here and there, maybe less stupid fingering. Maybe an edition that hasn't put in its own interpretation with phrase marks and expression marks. That is what I think is being asked for. (Candywoman?)

I'd think that fancy paper costing an arm and a leg is of less import than what I've guessed above.

I respect the attitude of wanting to support those producing the music. Certainly it doesn't deserve disrespect.

Again - IMSLP might be a good first step just for the opportunity of seeing how different publishes (the ones available) treat the piece. With a professional eye you will know what to look for.

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Henle editions have nice printing on consistently high quality paper and binding. They offer the piece you are seeking with a "look inside" option on the web site. They provide biographical info re. the editors involved.

https://www.henle.de/us/detail/?Title=Hungarian+Rhapsody+no.+2_803


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Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: Candywoman] #2861862
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I think I'll go for the Peters Book 1 or the Henle single piece edition.

I think it's classy to buy actual piano books, and not have paper floating about in binders and such. If you perform using the score, it should look classy. Teachers should encourage students to think about copyright legislation. Even if something is allowed and you print it off, it doesn't mean the students seeing your downloaded score know that you're following copyright legislation.

Thanks everybody.

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Originally Posted by Candywoman
I think it's classy to buy actual piano books, and not have paper floating about in binders and such. If you perform using the score, it should look classy. Teachers should encourage students to think about copyright legislation. Even if something is allowed and you print it off, it doesn't mean the students seeing your downloaded score know that you're following copyright legislation.

If being "classy" is your sole criterion for buying a printed book, then you and I do not share the same priorities. Alternatively, your explanation for NOT downloading music off imslp is mystifying to me.


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Originally Posted by Candywoman
I think I'll go for the Peters Book 1 or the Henle single piece edition.

I think it's classy to buy actual piano books, and not have paper floating about in binders and such. If you perform using the score, it should look classy. Teachers should encourage students to think about copyright legislation. Even if something is allowed and you print it off, it doesn't mean the students seeing your downloaded score know that you're following copyright legislation.


I think that in terms of educational justice it is a good thing to make classical works accessible to everyone. Although in poor quality.

If you have the means to buy only classy prints, that's great. But you cannot claim that for all.

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IMSLP does not violate copyright. Works in the public domain are not protected by copyright.


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IMSLP does not violate copyright. Works in the public domain are not protected by copyright.


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Originally Posted by malkin
IMSLP does not violate copyright. Works in the public domain are not protected by copyright.


With older students, you can use copies as an opportunity to discuss when it is ok to copy music or download it from the internet vs when it must be purchased, With younger students, the same explanation can be given to a parent.


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Re: Edition for Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt [Re: AZNpiano] #2862398
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Some things in life are worth spending money on. What I'm seeing more and more is people buying things such as fast fashion because they don't want to put effort into developing a more permanent wardrobe that is environmentally friendly, and contains durable, staple items.The result is people who discard clothing quickly.

Pinkiepie, I'm not a socialist. Pink is associated with socialism, right? Nobody has a right to music for free. Water, perhaps. Do you believe everybody should get things for free? I'm not in agreement with imslp's principal m.o., to bring music to people for free. I believe people don't value things that are free. The "poor" people you are trying to protect from inequality (who presumably take some piano lessons if they are playing piano) probably buy many useless items like Coke and fast food from very capitalist firms. Remember Orwell's story "Animal Farm" to understand where your thinking leads.

AZN first started by creating a red herring; apparently there are some bad publishers out there. I've never much cared for Kalmus or Alfred editions, but I haven't seen editions on lousy paper. Then you claim to be mystified because, I'm guessing, you're used to downloading things for free. I do not think downloaded copies are of sufficient quality because they are not bound.

Consider a new way of living with beautifully printed music. Consider valuing the contributions of editors and publishers (who are also not perfect).

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Jumping into this thread rather hesitantly, please hold your fire.

Just a question (and it seemed pertinent to the contents of this thread thus far) - am I correct in believing that imslp does not offer Henle versions of compositions? I have never seen them up there.

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