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Layering sampled and modeled piano sounds #2860437
06/19/19 12:54 PM
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Does anyone mix modelled and sampled piano sounds either using a vst or, in my case I can layer the Roland modelled piano with one of their sampled pianos. In theory it could be the best of both worlds: you could have the responsiveness of the modelled piano with the edge taken off the purity and a bit of imperfection and realism from the sampled sound.

Or you might think the result was just awful!? Any opinions?


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Re: Layering sampled and modeled piano sounds [Re: Robhatherton] #2860439
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I've done it many times. It works with certain pairs of instruments and not with others.
I guess it fails when there are minute tuning differences between the two chosen voices.

Re: Layering sampled and modeled piano sounds [Re: Robhatherton] #2860458
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Originally Posted by Robhatherton
Does anyone mix modelled and sampled piano sounds

Yes, it's standard in modern digital pianos. They usually start with a dry sample loop and model everything else.


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Re: Layering sampled and modeled piano sounds [Re: Robhatherton] #2860543
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sure but like Mac said tuning fluctuates especially up high. MooganDavid

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Re: Layering sampled and modeled piano sounds [Re: Robhatherton] #2860609
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I just went to my RD-2000 and layered a modeled and sampled piano sound...... yuck. Maybe it something unholy putting two Roland piano sounds together and expecting some fantasy sound to come out but it just sounds awful overall.

I find the Roland modeled piano sounds to sound really good to me.... I enjoy them. They really do need quality amplification and speakers if you are going to really appreciate them. I always wonder if this layering and tweaking folks do are really compensating for sub-optimal amps and speakers.

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Re: Layering sampled and modeled piano sounds [Re: Robhatherton] #2861193
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Well I don't do much layering ever really and the only tweaking I did earlier on was to get the piano sound that seemed right for my room using the Piano Designer app.

However, I don't have the luxury of a large cabinet six speaker dp or a stage piano with a pa or monitors set up in my back room! With a more compact console piano I was just after the best sound I could get. Having heard of the controversy about sampled vs modelled sound I just wondered if I could have the best of both worlds. I'm not at all dissatisfied with the sound I've got.


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Re: Layering sampled and modeled piano sounds [Re: MacMacMac] #2861224
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I guess it fails when there are minute tuning differences between the two chosen voices.

I never got this to work as minute audio differences (tuning, time alignment, etc) drive me nuts. A lot of my colleagues are less sensitive to these differences so YMMV.


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