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How long for a new piano to acclimate? #2860201
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I had my new (to me - it’s a 2000 model) Schimmel grand delivered a week ago. I’ve noticed that it continues to move out of tune and some notes have started to sound wavy or ringing. It’s hard to describe in words. Anyway, I really feel that this is the piano adjusting to the new environment and going out of tune. I’m very impatient to have my technician tune and adjust it as needed and see what it can do! But I know I need to give it time to settle in and that it will continue to change for a while.

How long should I wait to get it tuned? And is this normal when bringing a piano into a new environment?

I have a Dampp Chaser system on it so once it stabilizes in my home I feel like it should be pretty stable as the seasons change (with normal tunings and maintenance). It’s interesting how much it is changing over the week since it arrived. I guess a new home really is a big change for a piano.

Thoughts? Thanks!

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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: bstogdale] #2860208
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Congratulations on the new-to-you Schimmel!

Personally, I don't think it takes that long for a new piano to acclimatize to its new environment. Days and not weeks, in my opinion. But some would disagree, I'm sure. Two to three weeks might be a good guess on what some may recommend. But like I said, and as you have witnessed, changes in the tuning can happen rather quickly.

Two weeks should be plenty, but if the selling dealer is doing a free tuning, they may suggest longer.

Of course, I'm no authority on the subject.

Enjoy your piano!

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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: bstogdale] #2860219
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Would the acclimation period not depend, to some degree, on "environment from" to "environment to"?

If there were little difference between the two, then the acclimation period would be relatively short. If there were considerable differences in going from very dry to humid (or vice versa) environments, might not it take longer for the transported piano to settle?

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The dealer told me to wait 3 weeks when I bought mine, and they're only 4 miles down the road. It seems like the mechanical loading on the piano would take some time to equalize. It stands on edge and bounces around in a truck, then it gets rotated 90 degrees in your house. It was very humid outside when mine was delivered and it probably spent the better part of the day on the truck, not sure how fast that kind of change in humidity can affect things. You could just go ahead and have it tuned, worst case is it goes out of tune and you have to do it again in a few weeks or months.


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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: bstogdale] #2860234
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I'd suggest waiting a couple more weeks, if you can stand it.


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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: bstogdale] #2860236
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Wool felt takes on humidity very quickly, wood somewhat less. Wool felt gives up humidity slower than it takes it on, but wood gives up humidity slower than felt and much slower than it takes humidity in.

So if the new environment is more humid than the old, you don't need to wait more than a couple of weeks. If the new environment is drier than the old, you need to give it some time to adjust.


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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: bstogdale] #2860241
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I had my Sauter upright tuned about a month after it
arrived in my home.It was from a store which was local.
I also suggest a month for you to wait to be sure.
My piano has a hygrometer in the piano and I did notice a rise of a few degrees in the humidity it read compaired to when it was in the store which was air conditioned.Every home has perhaps a different micro-climate.
Fortunately the piano holds its tuning very well.
I now have a humidifier which keeps the range more
constant.Even with a Damp Chaser I would wait.



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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: bstogdale] #2860253
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My Schimmel (C182) moved very quickly once it arrived home, noticeable within a few days. It came from A/C showroom, to a moderately-humid climate. I was advised to leave it for a month to 6 weeks. The technician came about 2 weeks after delivery - to install the DampChaser, and adjusted a few notes which were very pronounced that day, and came 2 or 3 weeks after that to do (supposedly) a full tune, regulation, voicing. It was quickly again not satisfactory, and the dealer sent him quite a few times more over the next 9 months.

I ended up employing my own technician who did a magnificent job - and he now works on my Grotrian.


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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: bstogdale] #2860379
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Hey, don't wait. Why should you endure playing an out of tune instrument?

As soon as it starting to become objectionable get it tuned (you'll probably have to wait a week or two for the tuning anyway). Then get it tuned again whenever it needs it irrespective of how frequent that is.

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Originally Posted by gwing
Hey, don't wait. Why should you endure playing an out of tune instrument?

As soon as it starting to become objectionable get it tuned (you'll probably have to wait a week or two for the tuning anyway). Then get it tuned again whenever it needs it irrespective of how frequent that is.

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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: Rickster] #2860457
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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by gwing
Hey, don't wait. Why should you endure playing an out of tune instrument?

As soon as it starting to become objectionable get it tuned (you'll probably have to wait a week or two for the tuning anyway). Then get it tuned again whenever it needs it irrespective of how frequent that is.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by gwing
Hey, don't wait. Why should you endure playing an out of tune instrument?

As soon as it starting to become objectionable get it tuned (you'll probably have to wait a week or two for the tuning anyway). Then get it tuned again whenever it needs it irrespective of how frequent that is.

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Since it’s a 2000 model, it should settle in more quickly than a brand new piano. If it’s bad enough to drive you crazy, get it tuned. +4. At worst you use your first free tuning sooner. Additional tunings are expected after moving pianos. It’s really worth it for your new-to-you Schimmel. Congratulations 🍾🎈 🎊


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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: gwing] #2860620
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Originally Posted by gwing
Hey, don't wait. Why should you endure playing an out of tune instrument?

As soon as it starting to become objectionable get it tuned (you'll probably have to wait a week or two for the tuning anyway). Then get it tuned again whenever it needs it irrespective of how frequent that is.

Because - it might cost more if it hasn't settled. If you get it done the day you receive it, the regulation (can be quite a few hundred dollars) and the tuning could well need doing again the next month.

Better to leave it a few weeks till it's stable. But play it in the meantime - that way you'll be able to point out any particular voicing or regulation issues.


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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
Because - it might cost more if it hasn't settled. If you get it done the day you receive it, the regulation (can be quite a few hundred dollars) and the tuning could well need doing again the next month.

Better to leave it a few weeks till it's stable. But play it in the meantime - that way you'll be able to point out any particular voicing or regulation issues.

I would think with the Damp-Chaser system installed and working properly, it shouldn't take nearly as long to acclimatize to the new location. If the Damp-Chaser was installed and working correctly prior to moving to the new location, there shouldn't be a huge swing/change in humidity.

Hopefully, bstogdale can get his new-to-him Schimmel tuned sooner rather than later.

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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: Rickster] #2860631
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Because - it might cost more if it hasn't settled. If you get it done the day you receive it, the regulation (can be quite a few hundred dollars) and the tuning could well need doing again the next month.

Better to leave it a few weeks till it's stable. But play it in the meantime - that way you'll be able to point out any particular voicing or regulation issues.

I would think with the Damp-Chaser system installed and working properly, it shouldn't take nearly as long to acclimatize to the new location. If the Damp-Chaser was installed and working correctly prior to moving to the new location, there shouldn't be a huge swing/change in humidity.

Hopefully, bstogdale can get his new-to-him Schimmel tuned sooner rather than later.

Rick

It could be different for a 20 year old piano.

I'm just going on the advice I had with the 3 new pianos I bought (and one I almost bought.

KAWAI recommended "... a piano can take up to 2 months to settle"

My new Schimmel with the Damp-Chaser - tech came soon after delivery to install the D/C and advised me to wait 3 or 4 weeks before he came to set the piano up.

That Schimmel had been in an air-conditioned showroom. The YAMAHA UX was in a crate, sealed in a plastic/foil wrapping inside the crate direct from YAMAHA. The Grotrian flew from Braunschweig - I'm unsure of the wrapping, (though I was told that it was carried horizontally, not vertically).


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Re: How long for a new piano to acclimate? [Re: bstogdale] #2860664
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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
KAWAI recommended "... a piano can take up to 2 months to settle"

Well, if Kawai recommends up to 2 months (8 weeks) for a new piano to become stable, I suppose they know what's best. But that sure seems like a long time to me to pay that much money for an up-scale acoustic piano and have to play it out of tune for the first two months. I'd be very disappointed and want a refund within a few weeks, or have the tuner making weekly visits at the manufacturer/dealer's expense.

I guess I'm just impatient. smile

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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
KAWAI recommended "... a piano can take up to 2 months to settle"

Well, if Kawai recommends up to 2 months (8 weeks) for a new piano to become stable, I suppose they know what's best. But that sure seems like a long time to me to pay that much money for an up-scale acoustic piano and have to play it out of tune for the first two months. I'd be very disappointed and want a refund within a few weeks, or have the tuner making weekly visits at the manufacturer/dealer's expense.

I guess I'm just impatient. smile

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The new Yamaha C3 I bought from the dealer had been sitting on the showroom floor for several months. The dealer did great prep work on all the new pianos and used pianos I tried. It was tuned again as soon as I plopped down my cash and it was delivered the next day because they were making room for a show. My piano arrived and was very stable from the beginning. I was able to wait two months for my reduced price tuning. But even if it wasn’t as stable, I’d be willing to pay my piano tech to make it play and sound just as wonderful as that C3 was capable.
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I'm going to nitpick a bit :-)

"KAWAI recommended "... a piano can take up to 2 months to settle"" . That isn't a recommendation, that is a comment. Do they actually make a recommendation on when it should be tuned?

Also, even if we believe it does take 'up to 2 months' to settle that doesn't mean it will actually take 2 months, just a maximum of two months. So it might settle after a week. or a month, or actually never if you have a bad and highly varying environment.

You can however expect it to become more stable with time so each time you get it tuned it will likely last longer until it needs another tuning. But whatever the interval is actually doesn't matter, it is simple, once it is sufficiently out of tune to take away your enjoyment from playing the piano that is the time to get it tuned. Otherwise, why do you have a piano and why are you playing it?

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