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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
JoeT #2859834 06/18/19 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeT

From my own headphones showroom testing of the CLP-645 I can tell that both action and tone generator are identical to the P-515. Obviously amplification and speakers aren't the same for a slab, but they provide more than enough punch for my needs.

It comes at a cost: making it a pretty heavy beast unlike lightweight previous entries in Yamaha's P series. Nothing special though, its competitors Kawai ES8 and Roland FP-90 are in the same weight class. And the Kawai VPC1 is much heavier.


I might be wrong but IMHO the heavier the better (less wobble)...I have no intention to gig, just home practice.

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
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The P515 is a good piano but I've been reading reports of it having issues when playing with VSTs in general in fact the gentleman who suggested in this thread said with Pianoteq the notes were all over the place or something to that effect. Just make sure you try it WITH Pianoteq if you wish go in that direction. Do a google search also P515 and Pianoteq or VPC-1 and Pianoteq for that matter. The more information you get the better.

Here's one opposing thread regarding the P515 but in general most find the piano acceptable for the money they paid for it. http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2808499/1.html

Here's a positive one from an owner: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2775221/yamaha-p515-first-impression.html

Here's a negative post: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2793530/yamaha-p-515-sound-problem.html

Here's a positive post https://www.reddit.com/r/piano/comments/a9rh3j/just_got_my_yamaha_p515/


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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
Chopin Acolyte #2859918 06/18/19 08:54 AM
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And here's another one, notice how someone mentions if using Pianoteq why doesn't one just buy the VPC-1 http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...this-sound-from-the-speakers-normal.html

More issues with the sound: https://www.reddit.com/r/piano/comments/awd7w7/p515_audio_problem_with_headphones/

Please also spend the time to look at the negative things about the VPC 1 including the poor quality pedals that affected the earlier models and some people find the action kind of heavy.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2695555/5.html Here's one.

and another one https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=3207

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
Chopin Acolyte #2859932 06/18/19 09:15 AM
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One on the pedal issues on the VPC-1 but Kawai James said recent shipments in the past few years have rectified quality control issues with the Fatar pedals http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2542895/Re:_VPC1_F30_Pedal_functioning.html


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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
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Originally Posted by jamiecw
Wow this thread is starting to give me the creeps....

Hiya, pianist! Aren't you gonna say hello?
[pianist shakes his head]

Ohhh. Come on, bucko. Don't you want a... VPC-1?

Ohhh... You want it, don't you? Oh, of course you do... and there's VSTs, and Pianoteq, and all sorts of surprises down here... and VPC-1 pianos too... All colors.


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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
Chopin Acolyte #2859948 06/18/19 10:14 AM
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Brexit? Oh--a quick pretext for some more political madness...the most BENT politician in the country is about become its leader! Now that's enough to drive anyone mad...
Except maybe his (just as BENT) cronies. [/illegal]

Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
Jethro #2859981 06/18/19 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jethro
The P515 is a good piano but I've been reading reports of it having issues when playing with VSTs in general in fact the gentleman who suggested in this thread said with Pianoteq the notes were all over the place or something to that effect.

The built-in touch curves fit the built-in sounds, which are far superior to Pianoteq.

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Here's one opposing thread regarding the P515 but in general most find the piano acceptable for the money they paid for it.


I'm happy with it overall - the headphone amplifier could use a little more punch. Took me a while to get used to the "heavy" action, but after a few weeks it turned out being perfect and my practice results were reproduceable on some semi-concert grand. I have nothing more to ask for at that price level.


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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
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Originally Posted by thickfingers
Brexit? Oh--a quick pretext for some more political madness...the most BENT politician in the country is about become its leader! Now that's enough to drive anyone mad...
Except maybe his (just as BENT) cronies. [/illegal]

Lovely. It seems it is OK to talk politics here, as long as it isn't American politics or involve people with names that begin with 'T' or their family members. :rolleyes:


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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
Chopin Acolyte #2859988 06/18/19 11:22 AM
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"T" ? As in Teddy Roosevelt? Or Thomas Jefferson? Or Thom Tillis? I really don't know who you mean. smile

Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
Chopin Acolyte #2859993 06/18/19 11:31 AM
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Well, I for one am a sucker for political debates. But I have to admit that in all my internet experience, politics is the second most divisive topic ever - second only to Pianoteq.


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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
Chopin Acolyte #2859995 06/18/19 11:32 AM
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Why doesn't that rolleyes smiley work? Been looking for one of those. I need it. :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
Well, I for one am a sucker for political debates. But I have to admit that in all my internet experience, politics is the second most divisive topic ever - second only to Pianoteq.

Debates? Can't argue with them--something wrong with their brains. You just [b]can't stop them changing the subject or foisting subject-change smokescreen rubbish on top of your lucid, undeniable argument. Can't tell 'em. But, can't stop trying to tell 'em.

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
Chopin Acolyte #2859998 06/18/19 11:45 AM
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Let's merge the two topics (Pianoteq and politics) and draw some conclusions. Pianoteq guys are the marxists/communists of the VST-s, there's no pluralism allowed and any opinion that questions the greatness of the party would be ruthlessly crushed laugh As funny as that may sound, I've actually started receiving abuse on YouTube from a triggered anonymous Pianoteq leftist.


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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
Chopin Acolyte #2860000 06/18/19 11:48 AM
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And rightly so. And that's "Party" if you don't mind--"parties" are somewhere to go for a kneesup.

Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
CyberGene #2860005 06/18/19 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Let's merge the two topics (Pianoteq and politics) and draw some conclusions. Pianoteq guys are the marxists/communists of the VST-s, there's no pluralism allowed and any opinion that questions the greatness of the party would be ruthlessly crushed laugh

This is only right as Pianoteq is the solution to world hunger, climate change, poverty, social justice, and a myriad of other ills.

Pianoteq Users of the World, Unite!

EDIT: Oops... that doesn't really include me, any more, does it? blush I've used Pianoteq about 10 mins total in the 25 days since I got my N1X, mostly for just testing! blush

Originally Posted by CyberGene
As funny as that may sound, I've actually started receiving abuse on YouTube from a triggered anonymous Pianoteq leftist.

Some people just can't handle other people's (incorrect) opinions and as a consequence act out. Be careful not to spoil your child! wink


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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
CyberGene #2860011 06/18/19 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Pianoteq guys are the marxists/communists of the VST-s, there's no pluralism allowed and any opinion that questions the greatness of the party would be ruthlessly crushed laugh


No, the Pianoteq creators would clearly be some form of libertarians, since they are all about safeguarding the freedom to change anything about the sound using a huge array of parameters. Opposed to this would be the nanny-state sample libraries, who clearly think that having the freedom to change the sound is not what people need, because everyone really need only the same old and proven sound that everyone else is also getting. smile

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
QuasiUnaFantasia #2860015 06/18/19 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
Originally Posted by CyberGene
Pianoteq guys are the marxists/communists of the VST-s, there's no pluralism allowed and any opinion that questions the greatness of the party would be ruthlessly crushed laugh


No, the Pianoteq creators would ...

No, no, no! I was not talking about the creators, they are cool guys, I've communicated with Philippe many times, he's probably even nicer than Kawai James who's already inhumanely nice laugh I meant the Pianoteq aficionados/zealots/partisans... They are ready to blow off people for not accepting Pianoteq as the only solution to hunger and poverty wink


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Pianoteq guys are the marxists/communists of the VST-s, there's no pluralism allowed and any opinion that questions the greatness of the party would be ruthlessly crushed laugh


No, the Pianoteq creators would ...

No, no, no! I was not talking about the creators, they are cool guys, I've communicated with Philippe many times, he's probably even nicer than Kawai James who's already inhumanely nice laugh I meant the Pianoteq aficionados/zealots/partisans... They are ready to blow off people for not accepting Pianoteq as the only solution to hunger and poverty wink


Oh, yeah, I get it now! You were referring to what you possibly perceive as PJW's (Pianoteq Justice Warriors). smile


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QuasiUnaFantasia #2860030 06/18/19 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
Originally Posted by CyberGene
Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
Originally Posted by CyberGene
Pianoteq guys are the marxists/communists of the VST-s, there's no pluralism allowed and any opinion that questions the greatness of the party would be ruthlessly crushed laugh


No, the Pianoteq creators would ...

No, no, no! I was not talking about the creators, they are cool guys, I've communicated with Philippe many times, he's probably even nicer than Kawai James who's already inhumanely nice laugh I meant the Pianoteq aficionados/zealots/partisans... They are ready to blow off people for not accepting Pianoteq as the only solution to hunger and poverty wink


Oh, yeah, I get it now! You were referring to what you possibly perceive as PJW's (Pianoteq Justice Warriors). smile

Haha, thanks, was wondering in what way to use the "SJW" term and PJW is the proper analogy indeed laugh


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Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by Jethro
The P515 is a good piano but I've been reading reports of it having issues when playing with VSTs in general in fact the gentleman who suggested in this thread said with Pianoteq the notes were all over the place or something to that effect.

The built-in touch curves fit the built-in sounds, which are far superior to Pianoteq.

Quote
Here's one opposing thread regarding the P515 but in general most find the piano acceptable for the money they paid for it.


I'm happy with it overall - the headphone amplifier could use a little more punch. Took me a while to get used to the "heavy" action, but after a few weeks it turned out being perfect and my practice results were reproduceable on some semi-concert grand. I have nothing more to ask for at that price level.

That's all good.


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Chopin: G Minor Ballade
Schumann/Liszt Widmung

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos)
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Just a reminder guys, the more you rant on forums online, the less time you spend practicing.

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