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Baldwin M #2859955
06/18/19 10:30 AM
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I'd really like to see this piano and play it, but I have no desire to meet the owner, LOL.

Baldwin M

I wonder if someone else can show it. I doubt both of us would fit in the room, what with the size of his head. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: ebonykawai] #2859972
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So it's $2,000 less if one forgoes the artist's signature, lessons, and in-home tuning/voicing?

๐Ÿค”

(I'm a 4th generation Liszt "student." Probably everybody's chain of teachers goes back to Beethoven. ๐Ÿ˜†)


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: ebonykawai] #2859974
06/18/19 11:01 AM
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You canโ€™t blame a guy for trying. ABC, Always Be Closing, from David Mametโ€™s play Glengarry Glen Ross.

What do people think of the actual piano?


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: ebonykawai] #2859978
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When they have to repeatedly tell you how famous they are, thatโ€™s always a great sign that theyโ€™re not that famousโ€ฆ

If this piano belongs to the internationally acclaimed concert pianist as their personal piano, I would run away. 1943 and all original plus concert pianist practice use, or teaching instrument? Not a great combination.

By my math, the special โ€œofferโ€ might have a cash value of $800. Thereโ€™s a lot of good piano teachers around Rochester...


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: WhoDwaldi] #2859987
06/18/19 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
So it's $2,000 less if one forgoes the artist's signature, lessons, and in-home tuning/voicing?


I noticed that too... Really, I think he should give an additional $500 off for anyone who actually read the entire thing!

(And while we're at it.... how about that photo? The piano's from 1943 but the decor is from 1973? Sorry, couldn't resist.... there goes my karma for the day!)


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: ebonykawai] #2859990
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Well, I found the ad very interesting, and certainly way beyond the norm of what you normally see on Craigslist. And, I try not to be too critical or judgemental of people. On the other hand, as terminaldegree said, I've come across some people who have told me how good they were, and or how famous they were, and 90% of the time it turned out to be a huge exaggeration.

But giving credit where credit is due, the ad is indeed an example of good salesmanship. If you're a good salesperson, you don't necessarily have be what you represent yourself to be. It happens all too often. smile

As far as the guy's looks, or the size of his head, people come in all shapes and sizes. Maybe he is more attractive in person, or maybe not. smile Fact is, looks/attractiveness sells... had the guy hired an attractive model to sit at the piano, it would likely sell must faster.

As far as what the lessons are worth, I have no idea. I need to take piano lessons, but am likely too far gone down the wrong path to be redeemed.

Rick


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: ebonykawai] #2859992
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Re the size of the gentleman's head, I could be wrong but I interpreted that comment to be metaphorical rather than literal (i.e., the gentleman's ego seems to be ... on display, as it were...)

Anyway, good luck to the seller, if he's trying to both sell the piano and get a new student in one go, I suppose this is one way to do it!


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: ebonykawai] #2859999
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The "third generation student of Franz Liszt" in the seller's pedigree means absolutely nothing, however the masters degree from Juilliard ain't shabby. Certainly one of the most creative Craigslist ads I've seen.


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: ebonykawai] #2860001
06/18/19 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Re the size of the gentleman's head, I could be wrong but I interpreted that comment to be metaphorical rather than literal (i.e., the gentleman's ego seems to be ... on display, as it were...)

Anyway, good luck to the seller, if he's trying to both sell the piano and get a new student in one go, I suppose this is one way to do it!

Good point, ShiroKuro. I did indeed take ebonykawai's comments about the big head literally rather than figuratively. But that was after I saw the picture of him... smile

For that I do apologize...

Rick


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: WhoDwaldi] #2860002
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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
So it's $2,000 less if one forgoes the artist's signature, lessons, and in-home tuning/voicing?

๐Ÿค”

(I'm a 4th generation Liszt "student." Probably everybody's chain of teachers goes back to Beethoven. ๐Ÿ˜†)


Everybody is hooked into the tree somewhere! I have seen trees drawn for violin teachers and here is one for piano teachers:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Carl-Czerny-piano-heritage-tree.jpg


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: terminaldegree] #2860070
06/18/19 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
When they have to repeatedly tell you how famous they are, thatโ€™s always a great sign that theyโ€™re not that famousโ€ฆ


He has this posted on FB Marketplace, too, so his actual name is on the listing (I won't mention it here, this ad is just too cringeworthy, lol). A Google search only shows a few Youtube videos of nothing all that great, no actual teaching studio or listing that I could see (albeit, I only looked for less than 3 min), and no reviews at all, nor anythng else.

He doesn't have a very good agent, does he? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: WhoDwaldi] #2860071
06/18/19 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
So it's $2,000 less if one forgoes the artist's signature, lessons, and in-home tuning/voicing?

๐Ÿค”

(I'm a 4th generation Liszt "student." Probably everybody's chain of teachers goes back to Beethoven. ๐Ÿ˜†)


LMAO, I tried telling his this in a FB message! We had kind of a conversation, if you can count him ignoring everything I said, and his continued insistence that he's a FAR superior teacher than my own. ๐Ÿ™ƒ๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ˜‚


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: terminaldegree] #2860074
06/18/19 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
If this piano belongs to the internationally acclaimed concert pianist as their personal piano, I would run away. 1943 and all original plus concert pianist practice use, or teaching instrument? Not a great combination.


I tried telling him is, too, LOL, in our "conversation." He originally listed it as having been rebuilt, but in actuality the only thing that may or may not have been done is the hammers being reshaped, but he would jump from this actually having happened in the past, to it being finished in the future. So honestly, I'm assuming it's completely original wih no work down at all, lol.


Lisa

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Re: Baldwin M [Re: Rickster] #2860075
06/18/19 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rickster
As far as the guy's looks, or the size of his head


Oh dear! No, no, I only meant "swollen head" to reference how arrogant he sounds in this listing!

And coincidentally, my own dear teacher has the same schooling, Masters of Piano Performance from Juilliard, but she graduated from Oberlin Conservatory. She also built her own fortepiano! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: Rickster] #2860079
06/18/19 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rickster
I need to take piano lessons, but am likely too far gone down the wrong path to be redeemed.

Rick


He would definitely take you, Rick! He told me he's had students come to him from as far away as Japan! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

He seemed extremely shocked that I wasn't ready to abandon my teaxher and run to him, seeing as I'm only an hour and a half away via car.


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: ebonykawai] #2860087
06/18/19 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
Originally Posted by Rickster
I need to take piano lessons, but am likely too far gone down the wrong path to be redeemed.

Rick


He would definitely take you, Rick! He told me he's had students come to him from as far away as Japan! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

He seemed extremely shocked that I wasn't ready to abandon my teacher and run to him, seeing as I'm only an hour and a half away via car.

Well, I'm certain I would benefit from the lessons, but apparently, I'm more famous than he is on YT, since one of my music videos has almost 5 million views, and several have in the tens of thousands.

But I hate to brag... and, I certainly don't want my head to swell as big as his, and, I'm embarrassed (big-time) that I actually thought you meant he had a big head physically. ๐Ÿ˜‚

Maybe I am a backwoods hillbilly after all. But to be honest, this is the best laugh I've had in a long time. ๐Ÿ˜‚

Rick



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Re: Baldwin M [Re: Rickster] #2860097
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Rick, you'll have to post an ad like that when you sell one of your pianos, LOL!!!!


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: ebonykawai] #2860117
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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
Rick, you'll have to post an ad like that when you sell one of your pianos, LOL!!!!

I guess you can't blame the guy for trying. smile

As for me selling one of my pianos, I don't foresee me selling any of em' anytime soon.

But if I do, I'll have to consult with this guy to get some ideas on how to get the most out of my ad... smile

Rick


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: LarryK] #2860175
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Originally Posted by LarryK

Everybody is hooked into the tree somewhere! I have seen trees drawn for violin teachers and here is one for piano teachers:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Carl-Czerny-piano-heritage-tree.jpg


It's like Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. But, still kinda neat that people have been yelling "Don't rush!" at students since Czerny!


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Re: Baldwin M [Re: ebonykawai] #2860179
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Wow, yeah, that ad is a lot to wade through... whew! sick

If the piano is truly in the great shape described in the ad, then it might be worth the $4200. The germane question is whether it's actually in that sort of condition. If it's been his teaching piano, as described above, then it's unlikely to be all original AND in such great shape.

I came across a few like this when I was searching, where some middle-ager was administering a parent's estate, and the pianos were sometimes in pretty good shape. If that's the case here (i.e. this isn't his home or piano), then it could actually be in decent condition. You'd have to check it out to find out.

One potential way to get a handle on the condition without having to squeeze into the same room as his melon would be to ask him who services it and if you can speak to them.

If it checks out, tell him you'll give him $2200 for the piano with the lesson package, or $4200 w/o! whome ha


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