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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: JoeT] #2859559
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Originally Posted by JoeT
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What I really pity right now is, that if I won't like the P-515's action, there won't be enough time to return it and get the money back to buy VPC-1, which is now available for a very good price, however the sale ends on 22nd. smirk AAAAAAAAA

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859566
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Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
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Back to the original poster.

Chopin Acolyte here is the thread that I started in my search for a digital in the $2500 and under range. It took a lot of turns but the P515 was on my shortlist but once I tried the VPC-1's action I knew it would suffice and it was at the right price point for me. Never got a chance to try the P515 but give it a go for yourself, but since you are looking in the same price range as I and was already considering the VPC-1 and Pianoteq I thought I would chime in because that is the exact set-up I have.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2841563/1.html

You could see I spent money on both the Ravenscroft app AND software before settling with Pianoteq as my go to software. (I gave both samples and modeled software equal chance to impress me). Seems like there were much of the same arguments on your thread as there were on mine.


What I really pity right now is, that if I won't like the P-515's action, there won't be enough time to return it and get the money back to buy VPC-1, which is now available for a very good price, however the sale ends on 22nd. smirk AAAAAAAAA

Well since the VPC-1 is on sale now why don't you try that first and put a hold on the P515 for now? Or just buy both of them now and return the one you don't like.

Here's a thread from someone who tried the VPC-1 and returned it. I felt kind of bad because he was following my thread that I referred to. I think he got overwhelmed by the tinkering and possibilities with the VPC-1 and the distraction from just sitting down and playing. My thought on that is that it will only be a distraction if you let it. Just go with Pianoteq or any VST you may like and be done with it. GAS is always around the corner ready to enter your life if you let it. http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2854194/5.html

With all the debate that you read from this thread I still think it is wise for you to at very least try the VPC-1 with Pianoteq. I am in complete enjoyment of the set-up and I practice 2-3 hours a day on it when I am not in front of my acoustic. I did receive my Shigeru Kawai SK2 two days ago and I am in piano heaven. What touch, what tone. Oh so beautiful!

Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Jethro] #2859567
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Originally Posted by Jethro

Well since the VPC-1 is on sale now why don't you try that first and put a hold on the P515 for now? Or just buy both of them now and return the one you don't like.

Here's a thread from someone who tried the VPC-1 and returned it. I felt kind of bad because he was following my thread that I referred to. I think he got overwhelmed by the tinkering and possibilities with the VPC-1 and the distraction from just sitting down and playing. My thought on that is that it will only be a distraction if you let it. Just go with Pianoteq or any VST you may like and be done with it. GAS is always around the corner ready to enter your life if you let it. http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2854194/5.html

With all the debate that you read from this thread I still think it is wise for you to at very least try the VPC-1 with Pianoteq. I am in complete enjoyment of the set-up and I practice 2-3 hours a day on it when I am not in front of my acoustic. I did receive my Shigeru Kawai SK2 two days ago and I am in piano heaven. What touch, what tone. Oh so beautiful!


Well, first, I have to wait for P-515. I can't afford to buy both laugh

Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859568
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Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
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Well since the VPC-1 is on sale now why don't you try that first and put a hold on the P515 for now? Or just buy both of them now and return the one you don't like.

Here's a thread from someone who tried the VPC-1 and returned it. I felt kind of bad because he was following my thread that I referred to. I think he got overwhelmed by the tinkering and possibilities with the VPC-1 and the distraction from just sitting down and playing. My thought on that is that it will only be a distraction if you let it. Just go with Pianoteq or any VST you may like and be done with it. GAS is always around the corner ready to enter your life if you let it. http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2854194/5.html

With all the debate that you read from this thread I still think it is wise for you to at very least try the VPC-1 with Pianoteq. I am in complete enjoyment of the set-up and I practice 2-3 hours a day on it when I am not in front of my acoustic. I did receive my Shigeru Kawai SK2 two days ago and I am in piano heaven. What touch, what tone. Oh so beautiful!


Well, first, I have to wait for P-515. I can't afford to buy both laugh

You can't put them both on credit?

By the way where is the sale going on with the VPC-1?

Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Jethro] #2859570
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Originally Posted by Jethro

You can't put them both on credit?

By the way where is the sale going on with the VPC-1?


International here.

The "sale" (that only I see) "ends" on June 22nd. Quotes because none of it exists in incognito mode, it's obviously customized, but apparently, true. I even went so far as to almost hit the "place the order" button and the price was $1664.10, free shipping.

Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859571
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Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
Originally Posted by Jethro

You can't put them both on credit?

By the way where is the sale going on with the VPC-1?


International here.

The "sale" (that only I see) "ends" on June 22nd. Quotes because none of it exists in incognito mode, it's obviously customized, but apparently, true. I even went so far as to almost hit the "place the order" button and the price was $1664.10, free shipping.

Dang, that's a really good price for a VPC-1. I know what I would be doing right now if I were you wink But I'm not you so hurry up and make your decision already! I'm sure if you make the wrong decision the regret will only sting whenever you play the piano. So no worries.

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859620
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Wow this thread is starting to give me the creeps....

Hiya, pianist! Aren't you gonna say hello?
[pianist shakes his head]

Ohhh. Come on, bucko. Don't you want a... VPC-1?

Ohhh... You want it, don't you? Oh, of course you do... and there's VSTs, and Pianoteq, and all sorts of surprises down here... and VPC-1 pianos too... All colors.


smile

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: jamiecw] #2859626
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Originally Posted by jamiecw
Wow this thread is starting to give me the creeps....

Hiya, pianist! Aren't you gonna say hello?
[pianist shakes his head]

Ohhh. Come on, bucko. Don't you want a... VPC-1?

Ohhh... You want it, don't you? Oh, of course you do... and there's VSTs, and Pianoteq, and all sorts of surprises down here... and VPC-1 pianos too... All colors.


smile


I'm not a native English monitor, so I don't quite understand the vibe of this...what are you trying to say? :-D

Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859627
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It is kind of creepy here. I've only been here about 2 or 3 months and I realized you have to be careful about which pianos you like or the software you prefer because pretty soon some secret sect descends upon you like David Koresh and the Branch Davidians only this one is some kind of weirdo pro-sample sect heck bent on brainwashing your choices. "Repent heathen! Thou shalt not speak the name Pianoteq or VPC-1 here!" mad

In 2 months I've somehow managed to label myself the "creature".

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859628
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Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
Originally Posted by jamiecw
Wow this thread is starting to give me the creeps....

Hiya, pianist! Aren't you gonna say hello?
[pianist shakes his head]

Ohhh. Come on, bucko. Don't you want a... VPC-1?

Ohhh... You want it, don't you? Oh, of course you do... and there's VSTs, and Pianoteq, and all sorts of surprises down here... and VPC-1 pianos too... All colors.


smile


I'm not a native English monitor, so I don't quite understand the vibe of this...what are you trying to say? :-D

Don't worry about him, we can meet in a back alley somewhere and discuss your choices in private. cool

Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Jethro] #2859630
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Originally Posted by Jethro

Don't worry about him, we can meet in a back alley somewhere and discuss your choices in private. cool


Whoah there. My mommy always told me not to meet strangers in back alleys and definitely not to take candy from them. grin

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859654
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Speaking of brain washing there’s been only one guy here who couldn’t stop recommending one and only one controller and one and only one software smile He even tries to persuade the OP to return his not yet delivered P515. And while that thread seemed to finally go into peace, you couldn’t help it Jethro but keep spinning that same old record you’ve been spinning. Now, let’s talk about sects and brain washing smile

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859660
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Go to your happy place Jethro. Go to your happy place......

Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859664
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The 515 is arriving on Wednesday, I'll definitely post here my impression of it once I try.

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Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
The 515 is arriving on Wednesday, I'll definitely post here my impression of it once I try.

I hope you do like it. If it suits your needs totally enjoy it my friend. Like I said I was considering that DP as well. Don't worry too much about the VPC-1. It really is not for everyone but I like it. Like I said, I only chimed in because in your OP you said you really liked the VPC-1's action and you were considering the exact set-up I already have so I thought I would share my thoughts. Again, your choice is all that matters in this. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
The 515 is arriving on Wednesday, I'll definitely post here my impression of it once I try.

And you'll still have 3 days to grab that VPC1!

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@Chopin Acolyte: Don't sweat!

That P515 is said to have the same action as the CLP645. I've tried the latter. It's marvelous.
And you get a whole piano, not just the keyboard.
And you can still use it to drive virtual instruments, just like the VPC.

Don't sweat it! Enjoy it!
Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
The 515 is arriving on Wednesday, I'll definitely post here my impression of it once I try.

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Yep, the P515 can be used with Pianoteq if you like. It has an audio interface too which the VPC1 doesn’t. As to the “dedicated Pianoteq touch curve” that’s a nonsense. Every Pianoteq model has slightly different touch response as I have experienced it. There’s no standardization regarding touch response and that touch curve in the VPC1 curve was created 3-4 years ago when it was released so it was created for the model at the time. You can create your own touch curve in Pianoteq or use curves that are posted on the Pianoteq forum by users of various pianos. At least in that regards Pianoteq is well ahead of any other piano VST.

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Re: What DPs really lack (compared to the acoustic pianos) [Re: CyberGene] #2859821
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Yep, the P515 can be used with Pianoteq if you like. It has an audio interface too which the VPC1 doesn’t. As to the “dedicated Pianoteq touch curve” that’s a nonsense. Every Pianoteq model has slightly different touch response as I have experienced it. There’s no standardization regarding touch response and that touch curve in the VPC1 curve was created 3-4 years ago when it was released so it was created for the model at the time. You can create your own touch curve in Pianoteq or use curves that are posted on the Pianoteq forum by users of various pianos. At least in that regards Pianoteq is well ahead of any other piano VST.


That sounds good! Though I'm very curious about the Bosendorfer sample the P-515 comes with ^^ can't wait.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
That P515 is said to have the same action as the CLP645. I've tried the latter. It's marvelous.

From my own headphones showroom testing of the CLP-645 I can tell that both action and tone generator are identical to the P-515. Obviously amplification and speakers aren't the same for a slab, but they provide more than enough punch for my needs.

It comes at a cost: making it a pretty heavy beast unlike lightweight previous entries in Yamaha's P series. Nothing special though, its competitors Kawai ES8 and Roland FP-90 are in the same weight class. And the Kawai VPC1 is much heavier.


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