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Magnepan speakers work well with keyboard, piano sounds #2859334
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I spent the last 2 weeks playing You Demo's of different Roland, Yamaha, Korg digital pianos, stage pianos etc

They sound really real on my Magnepan speakers
https://www.magnepan.com/model_17

already decided regardless of which digital piano or keyboard I get, will run it though these speakers

stereo system at home worth more than price of average 2019 new car, nice to know I can use it for keyboard as well as playing turntable and cds

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Re: Magnepan speakers work well with keyboard, piano sounds [Re: tesladan] #2859375
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Haha, you got to try out some of those, now that must've been something. I've been wanting to for quite awhile sheerly due to their reputation.


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Re: Magnepan speakers work well with keyboard, piano sounds [Re: puremusic] #2859383
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Originally Posted by puremusic
Haha, you got to try out some of those, now that must've been something. I've been wanting to for quite awhile sheerly due to their reputation.


No cabinet at all, just as much sound coming off the back of the speakers as the front. This is why they need 3 feet behind them for space, I have my pair 51/2 from back wall.
Really natural sounding but requires good high current power amplifier - forget trying to use average surround sound receiver.

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Re: Magnepan speakers work well with keyboard, piano sounds [Re: tesladan] #2859384
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Yes that's what I've heard about the amps and the need for space. I am not a fellow with much knowledge about amps, so that's a hindrance to entry into the Magnepan world for me -- I'm sure an expensive one would be required.

The spacial imaging must be spectacular.

How do you find the bass response of those 1.7s? Do you think you'll want some additional speakers to cover it or is it fine?


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Re: Magnepan speakers work well with keyboard, piano sounds [Re: tesladan] #2859386
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tesladan -

It's good to hear you're getting great sound with the 1.7's! I've been itching to set a pair up and listen to the digital piano thru them - and you've confirmed my expectation for the sound. I gotta get busy!

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I saw a guy on You Tube who made his own planar speakers using transducers and flat sheets of various materials.
He tried a number of different sheet materials and several different placements of the transducers.
The cost was very low and the labor likewise.

Once he weeded out the weak performers he claimed excellent results.
I say "claimed" because I could not judge the results based on a You Tube video, recorded by means unknown, and tubified/compressed/distorted who-knows-how/.

This seemed intriguing since the market for planar speakers has prices that will make your head spin.
This was a cheap alternative and I was thinking of trying it .
But space limitations got in the way. I don't have room for panels dimensioned at three or four feet each.

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I love electtrostatics being used to Quads. The problem is they are even more space hungry than a grand piano (my parents have both in their living room). They need to be a good 3 feet from the wall and that means you need a pretty long room for them to sound their best.

Wonderfully pure sound but tend to be a bit lacking in bass.Martin Logan make a range with a built in (sub) woofer but I suspect that rather spoils the sound.

Re: Magnepan speakers work well with keyboard, piano sounds [Re: tesladan] #2859472
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You love them because:

1- Magnepans are fabulous speakers
2 - Reproducing sampled (and modeled) sounds is about quality "reproduction", no different than playing back a CD... must be as accurate as possible... and that usually means good power, larger speakers, and higher cost (unfortunately but that is the way it is to get quality and accuracy).

I have owned Magnepans at two different stages.... the MG 2.5R and then the monster MG 20. They are just fabulous. Only issue with them is they need a a powerful amp that can produce current (not watts) into difficult loads, and they are extremely sensitive to room placement. For that, I would be interested in how you set them all up. Also, due to rear wave cancellation (due to being a dipole and tricky with room placement) Magnepans can have enemic low bass.

Fabulous. I highly recommend others hooking up their home stereo systems... or the old one in your basement... to your keyboards. The big sound is very addictive and how your samples should be reproduced.

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Re: Magnepan speakers work well with keyboard, piano sounds [Re: tesladan] #2859479
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Originally Posted by tesladan
stereo system at home worth more than price of average 2019 new car

Personally I would go with a grand piano at the same price level instead of pairing a digital piano with an expensive stereo.


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Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by tesladan
stereo system at home worth more than price of average 2019 new car

Personally I would go with a grand piano at the same price level instead of pairing a digital piano with an expensive stereo.

Except he already has the stereo, for other purposes. Kinda like saying you'd pick the piano over the car. ;-)

Re: Magnepan speakers work well with keyboard, piano sounds [Re: tesladan] #2859797
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My experience playing digital keyboards through stereo speakers is that they will sound good in general if the speakers are good quality, but that you are generally better off with a decent pair of powered studio monitors.

Consumer audio speakers, even very high end ones, have broader design requirements that include filling a room with a full soundstage. A studio monitor is optimized for linear frequency response at the expense of a wide listening field. You want each note to respond with very even dynamic level at a given key pressure to get a very uniform scale. With a bi-amped class D design, powered monitors can correct non-linearities with DSP algorithms running in the amp firmware, something outside the realm of possibility with passive speakers.

While Magnepan speakers are superb for listening to music recordings, I would expect a pair of studio monitors like a pair of JBL 305P’s or 306P’s to have a more even voicing across the range of a digital keyboard. When playing in my home studio, I use JBL Pro LSR-305’s as keyboard monitors. They were renamed as the JBL Pro 305P recently with minimal (if any) changes. I also use an LSR-2310sp subwoofer with them, but that is only needed for organ pedal voices, or if you play deep synthesizer bass.


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Re: Magnepan speakers work well with keyboard, piano sounds [Re: tesladan] #2859811
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
. . .While Magnepan speakers are superb for listening to music recordings, I would expect a pair of studio monitors like a pair of JBL 305P’s or 306P’s to have a more even voicing across the range of a digital keyboard.


Magnepans are a _very_ special case of "consumer audio speakers". I wouldn't bet against them, in a test against JBL LSR 305's. Or in a test against any other small "powered monitor".

Until somebody actually does such a test -- with multiple judges, and reproducible results -- the question is open, IMHO.


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Re: Magnepan speakers work well with keyboard, piano sounds [Re: tesladan] #2859813
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It is not about judging the sound in a listening test, but whether the instrument provides very even feedback to the player so that melodies can be shaped evenly without having to compensate for notes that play s little louder. This is purely in the realm of the player of the instrument not in the realm of the listener of the music being played.


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Originally Posted by anotherscott
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Originally Posted by tesladan
stereo system at home worth more than price of average 2019 new car

Personally I would go with a grand piano at the same price level instead of pairing a digital piano with an expensive stereo.

Except he already has the stereo, for other purposes. Kinda like saying you'd pick the piano over the car. ;-)

You understood me correctly. If I inherited such an expensive stereo, I would sell it off for a grand. smile


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Here are some frequency response curves for some Magnepan speakers:

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/magnepan-mmg-speaker-system-measurements

If you play an ascending scale starting at Ab5, which has a fundamental frequency close to 831 Hz, the rolloff will lead to a finishing dynamic level of the keyboard output of the scale as played by the player is even in tone.

Here are some frequency response curves for JBL LSR305 and LSR308:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T9yLUksyFTu8DwtsaUwacoCIpRfmdIzx6vDRPjzfbCg/mobilebasic

On axis it virtually flat up to 8000Hz which captures the full upper range of an 88-key piano— B8 is around 7902Hz, and near field monitoring will be a listening position that is close to on-axis.

No question the Magnepans will sound better if you hook up a CD player and sit down and listen to full-range music. But an instrument note has a single fundamental frequency, and voicing irregularities (for an acoustic or digital instrument) will at times limit a player’s ability to shape melodies or scales evenly.

That said, if one already has a playback system, generally no harm in trying it out before investing in other monitoring equipment. One pitfall to watch out for, however, is that pro-oriented keyboards often have pro line level outputs that are too hot for consumer line level amp inputs and can damage a stereo amp. Definitely want the output spec of the keyboard before feeding it into a stereo amp. The headphone output can also be used, but it may have a noisier output stage. Decent studio monitors will let you set the input sensitivity of the monitor to match the keyboard output.


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Seelinck, good response... however, one thing you are missing is how a speaker presents and delivers a "sound field". An acoustic grand generates sound over a large radiating area and creates a sonic experience that defies point measurement. A Magnepan, or other large speaker is similar in that it presents sound in way that can wash over you.... you experience the sound differently and that can be very intoxicating regardless of a bump or frequency response aberration.

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Uhh, yeah.

First i clicked on your link, one of the first words i saw were "affordable"


Then i googled the price... sick

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Bruce,
I wasn’t missing your point, as noted in my first posting:
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Consumer audio speakers, even very high end ones, have broader design requirements that include filling a room with a full soundstage. A studio monitor is optimized for linear frequency response at the expense of a wide listening field.

If the goal is to play for others and fill a living room with the full sound of a (properly voiced) acoustic piano then what you want is an acoustic piano. A reasonable quality upright properly maintained will provide a better playing experience and better sound than a sampled or modeled grand played through an amplified speaker.


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I was expecting prices to be MUCH higher.
Originally Posted by U3piano
One of the first words i saw were "affordable". Then i googled the price. sick
A colleague years ago had a pair of planars. I don't know that they were Magnepan, but how many planar makers are there?
I do know that the pair cost over $6000.
Perhaps I'd remember more if not for the facts that (a) this visit was around 25 years ago and (b) I/we were drunk as #*$&^ because this was a bachelor party.

Anyway ... I see an online price of only $650 for a pair: Magnepan MMGi Floor Standing Planar-Magnetic Loudspeakers. That's WAY less than I was expecting. I might even get a pair ... in my next house.

But I also see the Magnepan 30.7 priced at a lofty $30,000. That doesn't jibe with the "affordable" moniker. But wait ... you get FOUR panels for that price! Such a deal! smile

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Well, i googled "magnepan 1.7" like described in the article.

It gave me a result with a price of €4000, that's far from affordable to me!

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