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Top 100 Greatest Piano Works #2859313
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So, I found this list with a ranking of the 100 "greatest" works for piano ever written. What do you guys think of it? Agree with it? These kind of rankings are always hard to agree with or even possible to make sense of since much of these things are always a subjective. Anyway, in general I think it is a nice list. Are there any pieces here that you guys personally think shouldn't be there / are there any works that you guys are missing? Any works ranked too high or too low etc?


1. Bach - Goldberg Variations
2. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 111
3. Bach - The Well-Tempererad Clavier
4. Schubert - Piano Sonata D 960
5. Chopin - 24 Preludes
6. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 106 "Hammerklavier"
7. Chopin - Ballade 4 Op 52
8. Schumann - Fantasie in C major
9. Ravel - Gaspard de la Nuit
10. Chopin - Barcarolle
11. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 109
12. Debussy - Préludes Book 2
13. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 110
14. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 57 "Appassionata"
15. Chopin - Études Op 25
16. Liszt - Piano Sonata B minor
17. Schubert Piano Sonata D 959
18. Schumann - Davidsbündlertänze
19. Chopin - Études Op 10
20. Beethoven - 33 Variations on a Waltz by Anton Diabelli Op 120
21. Brahms - Op 118
22. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 53 "Waldstein"
23. Schumann - Kreisleriana
24. Schubert Piano Sonata D 894
25. Prokofiev - Piano Sonata 7 Op 83 "Stalingrad"
26. Debussy - Preludes Book 1
27. Ravel - Miroirs
28. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 101
29. Chopin Piano Sonata 3 Op 58
30. Shostakovich - 24 Preludes and Fugues
31. Chopin - Polonaise Fantaisie
32. Schubert - Four Impromptus D 899
33. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 27 No. 2 "Moonlight"
34. Chopin - Ballade 1 Op 23
35. Bach - Partita 2 BWV 826
36. Schumann - Études Symphoniques
37. Prokofiev - Piano Sonata 6 Op 82
38. Scriabin - Piano Sonata 5 Op 53
39. Rachmaninoff - Preludes Op 32
40. Mozart Piano Sonata K 310
41. Schumann - Carnaval
42. Schubert - Four Impromptus D 935
43. Chopin - Nocturnes Op 48
44. Bach - French Suite 5 BWV 816
45. Brahms - Op 119
46. Schumann - Kinderszenen
47. Schubert - Piano Sonata D 845
48. Schubert - Wanderer Fantasy D 760
49. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 81a "Les Adieux"
50. Brahms - Op 117
51. Debussy - Images pour piano bk 2
52. Chopin - Nocturnes Op 27
53. Chopin - Piano Sonata 2 Op 35
54. Haydn - Piano Sonata No. 62 Hob. XVI:52
55. Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition
56. Ravel - Le Tombeau de Couperin
57. Bach - Italian Concerto BWV 971
58. Debussy - Images pour piano bk 1
59. Schubert - Piano Sonata D 958
60. Brahms - Variations and Fugue on a Theme by Handel
61. Brahms - Op 116
62. Medtner - Sonata Romantica, Op. 53 No. 1
63. Bach - Partita 6 BWV 830
64. Chopin - Fantaisie in F minor
65. Ligeti - Études Books 1-3
66. Debussy - Etudes
67. Debussy - Estampes
68. Schubert - Six Moments Musicaux D 780
69. Liszt - Années de pèlerinage
70. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 90
71. Bach - Overture in the French Style BWV 831
72. Mozart - Piano Sonata K 333
73. Schumann - Waldszenen
74. Scriabin - Piano Sonata 9 Op 68
75. Chopin - Mazurkas Op 56
76. Scriabin Piano Sonata 2 Op 19
77. Messiaen - Vingt regards sur l'enfant-Jésus
78. Liszt - Études d'exécution transcendante
79. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 13 "Pathétique"
80. Webern - Variations for Piano
81. Rachmaninoff - Preludes Op. 23
82. Schubert - Drei Klavierstucke D 946
83. Prokofiev - Piano Sonata 8 Op 84
84. Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op 31 No. 2 "The Tempest"
85. Ravel - Sonatine
86. Schumann - Fantasiestücke Op 12
87. Schumann - Papillons
88. Berg - Piano Sonata Op 1
89. Ravel - Jeux d'eau
90. Beethoven Piano Sonata Op 28 "Pastorale"
91. Bach - Inventions and Sinfonias BWV 772–801
92. Albeniz - Iberia
93. Ives - Piano Sonata No. 2 "Concord, Mass., 1840-60"
94. Chopin - Polonaise Op 53 "Heroic"
95. Haydn - Piano Sonata 60 Hob. XVI:50
96. Mozart - Piano Sonata K. 331
97. Chopin - Nocturnes Op 62
98. Rachmaninoff - Études-tableaux Op 39
99. Chopin - Ballade 3 Op 47
100. Chopin Scherzo 4 Op 54

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Re: Top 100 Greatest Piano Works [Re: Franz Beebert] #2859319
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I really can't understand why anyone would want to go to the trouble of ranking, from 1 to 100, his/her personal opinion of the "Greatest Piano Works." I see it as an exercise in futility because no two people would agree on the total contents nor on the relative position of the works in that list.

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Re: Top 100 Greatest Piano Works [Re: Franz Beebert] #2859321
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Well for one it just ignores everything written before 1700. Then there is not a single italien nor english composer and one piece from an american composer in there. I guess you could find hundreds of other lists just as valid.

Re: Top 100 Greatest Piano Works [Re: Franz Beebert] #2859335
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I think it's a good list in terms of the pieces on the list but it makes little sense to put the pieces in order.

A few I noticed that I wouldn't put on my personal list were Schumann Forest Scenes and Papillons, Beethoven Pastoral, Tempest, Op.106, Op. 90 Sonatas, Webern Variations, Ives Concord Sonata, Schubert Klavierstucke, Bach Overture in the French Style.

A few I might add: Beethoven Variations in C minor, Liszt Schubert Song Transcriptions, Brahms Paganini Variations.

Re: Top 100 Greatest Piano Works [Re: Franz Beebert] #2859361
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And no Ludus Tonalis?


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Re: Top 100 Greatest Piano Works [Re: Franz Beebert] #2859373
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"3. Bach - The Well-Tempererad Clavier"

Love that piece!


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Re: Top 100 Greatest Piano Works [Re: Franz Beebert] #2859436
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It's fun at least, even though their taste is wrong. grin

Diabelli Variations at 20? BLASPHEMY!

Oh, and The Art of Fugue is Bach's greatest work that can be played on the piano as written. grin

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Not a bad list, but I would have included Granados' "Goyescas."

Re: Top 100 Greatest Piano Works [Re: BruceD] #2859466
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Originally Posted by BruceD
I really can't understand why anyone would want to go to the trouble of ranking, from 1 to 100, his/her personal opinion of the "Greatest Piano Works." I see it as an exercise in futility because no two people would agree on the total contents nor on the relative position of the works in that list.

Regards,


I agree that almost every person that made a list would be really different. Our tastes are very diverse.


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Originally Posted by Hank M
Not a bad list, but I would have included Granados' "Goyescas."


I was just about to post the same thing!

Re: Top 100 Greatest Piano Works [Re: Franz Beebert] #2859505
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Where's Mendelssohn (Variations sérieuses) and Franck (Prélude, chorale et fugue)?


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Where is Mozart's Fantasia in C minor and the
Sonata in C minor ?

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Things exist in tiers. There is no such thing as a greatest from 1-100 list.

Re: Top 100 Greatest Piano Works [Re: Franz Beebert] #2860654
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
A few I might add: Beethoven Variations in C minor, Liszt Schubert Song Transcriptions, Brahms Paganini Variations.

Originally Posted by bennevis
Where's Mendelssohn (Variations sérieuses) and Franck (Prélude, chorale et fugue)?

Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Where is Mozart's Fantasia in C minor and the
Sonata in C minor ?

For fun, let's see if I can do 100 without any from that original list.

BTW pay no attention to the numbers/rankings, it's mostly just the order that I happen to think of them, heavily biased by all kinds of things, including what you guys just said.
BTW #2: I agree with the surprise about Beethoven's Pastorale sonata being on such a list, even though I love the piece.

1. Beethoven Variations in C minor
2. Schubert-Liszt Widmung
3. Mendelssohn Variations sérieuses
4. Franck Prélude, Chorale and Fugue
5. Mozart Fantasia in C minor
6. Mozart Sonata in C minor

7. Brahms Variations on an Original Theme, Op. 21 #1
8. Scriabin Sonata #10
9. Scriabin Vers la flamme
10. Chopin Ballade #2
11. Chopin Scherzo #2
12. Chopin Scherzo #3
13. Chopin Scherzo #1
14. Chopin Mazurkas Op. 30
15. Chopin Mazurkas Op. 50
16. Mozart Rondo in A minor (big omission for any such list)
17. Mozart Little Gigue in G major
18. Schumann Sonata #1 (F# minor)
19. Schumann Sonata #2 (G minor)
20. Mendelssohn Fantasy in F# minor
21. Mendelssohn Songs Without Words
22. Alkan "Concerto" (for solo piano)
23. Alkan "Symphony" (ditto)
24. Alkan Le festin d'Esope
25. Bartok Sonata
26. Bartok Mikrokosmos
27. Bartok Out of Doors Suite
28. Chabrier Pièces pittoresques
29. Beethoven Sonata Op. 78 (sometimes said to be his "favorite")
30. Beethoven Sonata Op. 7 (E-flat major)
31. Beethoven Sonata Op. 10 #3
32. Beethoven Eroica Variations
33. Clementi Sonata in F# minor
34. Schubert Sonata in A major, D. 664
35. Weber Invitation to the Dance
36. Weber Sonata #2 (A-flat major)
37. Weber Sonata #4 (E minor)
38. Debussy L'isle joyeuse (another surprising omission, perhaps an oversight)
39. Scriabin Etudes Op. 8
40. Scriabin Etudes Op. 42

The other 60 spots are easily filled by various and sundry sonatas by Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven not mentioned yet, plus an unlimited number of pieces by Scarlatti. ha

BTW, I have to admit, while I'd argue for quite a few of these pieces to be among the "100," overall the original list is superior to this one.

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Haydn: Variations in F Minor

Beethoven: "Andante favori"; Polonaise in C Major, Op. 89

Liszt: Waldesrauschen; Gnomenreigen; Hexameron

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Originally Posted by JoelW
Things exist in tiers. There is no such thing as a greatest from 1-100 list.


That's an odd comment coming from this poster!


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Originally Posted by Mark_C

11. Chopin Scherzo #2
12. Chopin Scherzo #3

These two pieces certainly belonged on the original list.
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32. Beethoven Eroica Variations

One of my favorite pieces!

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So, I found this list with a ranking of the 100 "greatest" works for piano ever written.

All wonderful music on the list, but I was unaware that Bach ever composed any music for piano.


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I don't think Bach composed for piano at all. He's said to have disliked a piano he tried in the 1730s.
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So, I found this list with a ranking of the 100 "greatest" works for piano ever written.
All wonderful music on the list, but I was unaware that Bach ever composed any music for piano.

But we're not prevented from playing his many harpsichord compositions on a piano, right?

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Bach visited Friedrich (Frederick) the Great (himself an accomplished musician) in 1747 in Potsdam to try out a fortepiano Friedrich had acquired. Friedrich offered Bach a theme upon which Bach improvised a fugue. Bach found the instrument to be lacking but later composed “A Musical Offering” with content based on the theme.

I think a list of greatest works can only be pruned to 100 using some subjective considerations and personal style preferences. But if it is open to keyboard works composed for instruments other than piano, then there certainly are works by composers earlier than Bach that would need to be considered before such a list could be finalized. Keyboard works of some contemporaries of Bach also tend not to be thought of as piano literature.

On the other hand, I think there is reasonable evidence that Haydn may not have composed his early keyboard works for piano, and we certainly consider them to be firmly belonging to the piano literature.


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