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Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? #2859091
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My RD-2000 has 62 (yes 62!!) modulation effects for electric piano sounds. They include simulations of famous products such as compressors and Space Echo and generic flangers etc.... all with each knob/slider represented and fully functional..... wow. Seriously this is amazing. Their tone bank has 1,100 preset sounds (although I am discovering that many of them are the same root sound with some of the famous effects pre-configured)... and it can layer 8 sounds at once!

Anywhoo....... all of our pianos are loaded with cool effects and sounds....

QUESTION: Do you use them? Why or why not?

Bonus: If you do, roughly, how many? And which ones are your "go to" effects?

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Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859119
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For the most part, I may play with effects on boards where no menu diving is required (Nord Electro/Stage, Korg SV1, etc.), but I don't bother with them in most boards. It's great that those effects are there for the programmers to use to create cool sounding presets. I'm sure some players like to dive into these things themselves as well, but for me, if I have to menu dive, I'll usually just stick with what the programmers provided in the supplied presets, I rarely do much with effects on those except turn the reverb down. ;-)

Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859132
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My Yamaha P-515 has a rhythm section with chord detection, plus a 16 track MIDI sequencer.

I use it when practicing guitar. smile


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Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859139
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I use lots of piano features. 88 of them. (OK, 89.)

But regarding the features being referred to here ... I only occasionally use the harpsichord and guitar voices.
The remaining voices are crap.
And I have no use for the other "features ".

Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859181
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On this forum the bias will be towards piano sounds. As an RD-2000 owner and a student of classical music, I have that bias myself. I stick with either the modeled or sampled grand pianos, or add my own piano VSTs. Once in a while I’ll add pads or strings. I bought this keyboard not for the variety of other sounds but for the ease of integration with my computer setup, the on-board audio/MIDI interface, the ability to add my own high-end monitors instead of relying on internal speakers and the action. I suspect using this keyboard for only piano, especially classical music, puts us in a minority, judging by the RD-2000 posts and recordings on other sites such as Keyboard Corner, gearslutz, edm sub-reddits, the RD-2000 Facebook group, youtube etc.

Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859186
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A few days ago I visited a piano shop with my roommate and while I was testing one of the digital pianos, I heard him messing around one of their expensive models (I think it was Kawai CP2)...and the sounds were getting more and more ridiculous, like dog barks, whines, cat meows, that kind of stuff...it made him laughing, but I thought to myself..."why would anyone pay for this? Why, just why did they put it in? Who would use it?"

Bottom line: if I own a (digital) piano, I want piano sound. Even harpsichord, guitar, violin etc. are understandable, but cat meows? Why would I pay extra for cat meows even in a stage piano?

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Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: MacMacMac] #2859288
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I use lots of piano features. 88 of them. (OK, 89.)

But regarding the features being referred to here ... I only occasionally use the harpsichord and guitar voices.
The remaining voices are crap.
And I have no use for the other "features ".

Is the power button really a "feature"? laugh


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Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859341
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Originally Posted by Chopin Acolyte
Bottom line: if I own a (digital) piano, I want piano sound. Even harpsichord, guitar, violin etc. are understandable, but cat meows? Why would I pay extra for cat meows even in a stage piano?


I expect your friend was playing with the General MIDI sound band. These sounds are unlikely to increase the cost of the instrument, but are required in order to conform to GM standards.

Kind regards,
James
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Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859346
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In General MIDI, we have bird tweet, helicopter... but no cat meows. wink

However, this kind of sound are typically recorded for one note and with a single velocity layer, then doesn’t take a lot of space.

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Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Frédéric L] #2859348
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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
In General MIDI, we have bird tweet, helicopter... but no cat meows. wink


Yes, you're right. How was a dog bark included in the GM standard, but a cat meow omitted?!

Checking the CP2 owner's manual, I see that "Cat" is listed in the "OTHERS:Sound Effect" sound category, along with "Wind", "Horse Gallop", and "Bird Tweet". However, we're talking about an ensemble instrument with over 1000 sounds, so it's not as if a handful of sound effects are a key feature of the product.

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
However, this kind of sound are typically recorded for one note and with a single velocity layer, then doesn’t take a lot of space.


Agreed.

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Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859349
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I probably go through the various sounds and effects when I buy a new piano. That's about it.

Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Kawai James] #2859351
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Originally Posted by Kawai James

I expect your friend was playing with the General MIDI sound band. These sounds are unlikely to increase the cost of the instrument, but are required in order to conform to GM standards.

Kind regards,
James
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Who sets forth the General MIDI standards? What happens if those standards are not met? (imagine not having those meows...)


My roommate has a cat and as I reminded him of the meow sounds in CP2 he started to meow out the melody of Handel's Passacaglia. It made me laugh again laugh

Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859359
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One can argue that some of the general MIDI standards are passe, but at this point in time, including that sound set is essentially free because memory is so much cheaper and all the programing was done long, long ago. It would now cost more to delete the sound effects and then have to explain why the hardware is not General MIDI compliant.


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Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Chopin Acolyte] #2859368
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I find a lot of people thinking they are buying a digital piano on a pay-per-sound basis.This not true.The cost goes into producing the piano sound and the key action.Extra sounds,particularly GM,are just included for next to nothing.


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Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859369
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Well, the Yamaha P-515 I ordered is to be delivered this week...I hope it has that meow sounds, otherwise I'm returning it laugh

Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859405
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The GM Standard would be a lot more frustrating for the non-Western world. What - piano is first!!....where is the Oud and the Zurna.

Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859409
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Oh what fun I used to have playing with Choir Aahs and Voice Oohs (Prg 53 and 54). Who could forget no.128, Gunshot? How easily were we amused in the Dark Ages.

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Re: Features/sounds: Do you use them? Why why not? [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2859428
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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
My RD-2000 has 62 (yes 62!!) modulation effects for electric piano sounds. They include simulations of famous products such as compressors and Space Echo and generic flangers etc.... all with each knob/slider represented and fully functional..... wow. Seriously this is amazing. Their tone bank has 1,100 preset sounds (although I am discovering that many of them are the same root sound with some of the famous effects pre-configured)... and it can layer 8 sounds at once!

Anywhoo....... all of our pianos are loaded with cool effects and sounds....

QUESTION: Do you use them? Why or why not?

Bonus: If you do, roughly, how many? And which ones are your "go to" effects?

Peace
Bruce in Philly



Wow, that's almost arranger keyboard OTT...
The Yamaha Genos has 1,652 Voices + 58 Drum/SFX Kits and you're almost packing that on a stage piano....

I use some of the pads on my MP7 with my piano sounds and love the organ presets and the epianos. Outside of that, I occasionally use the drum machine.

With that many sounds, your RD is a big screen and an inbuilt PC short of the Kronos.

Kind regards,

Doug.


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Mine only has reverb, I leave it switched on which is by default. I guess I qualify as an effect user. There are no other effects though.


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Frédéric L
In General MIDI, we have bird tweet, helicopter... but no cat meows. wink


Yes, you're right. How was a dog bark included in the GM standard, but a cat meow omitted?!


The dog is also absent from General MIDI (1)... but added in General MIDI 2 (but not the cat)...


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