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I'm new here. Question: what should I play for my next conce #2858957
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Hello. I am new here.
I was wondering what concerto I should play next. I have played Mozart's A Major concerto and Saint Saens' 2nd concerto.

I am playing Aufschwung by Schumann, Beethoven sonata 3, and Bach's c minor toccata.

My teacher has a strange difficulty system, but I have proved it right every time (difficulty is subjective). For example, I played Chopin's 2nd ballade last year.

My teacher has currently given the choices of all Beethoven's concertos and the Schumann, but she is open to more. Not Chopins, Bachs, or extremely difficult ones either. I also want a slightly more obscure concerto, and that's why I am leaning away from the Schumann and Beethovens 3 and 5. I am considering beethoven 4. Thank you in advance.

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Re: I'm new here. Question: what should I play for my next conce [Re: enigmaestro] #2858991
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Look, I know that I'm going to sound grumpy (I am in real life my wife tells me) and I don't mean to. So apologies in advance.

But surely a pianist of your experience, proven ability, and technical expertise must be able to figure out where to go next.

From all the listening you have done, is there nothing on the back-burner, nothing where you have said to yourself: "I would love to have a go at that, or maybe that one day."

I know that I have been no help at all, except to get you to delve into your own musical experience and interests for an answer to your question.

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No apologies needed. I agree with you about having to choose on my own, but I was just looking for some other recommendations, or some difficulties I should know about for the concertos I mentioned.

Thank you for the response.

Re: I'm new here. Question: what should I play for my next conce [Re: enigmaestro] #2859001
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Off the top of my head.

Shostakovich No.2.

Bartók No. 3.

Prokofiev No.1.

Liszt A minor, which isn't overplayed.



If you want obscure but "accessible"...

Dvorak op. 33

Rimsky-Korsakov op. 30

Balakirev No.1


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Re: I'm new here. Question: what should I play for my next conce [Re: enigmaestro] #2859007
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Some nice suggestions already...

I'd add the Mendelssohn Concertos there too.

Also for "obscure", I'd add Kabalevsky's Concerto in D Major. I personally don't think it has the greatest structure, and the second movement is practically a rip-off of Dvorak's Humoresque, but it is obscure and it's got some really golden melodies.

I would've suggested Shostakovich and Rimsky-Korsakov too, but they're up there already. I wanted to say Medtner too but his concertos sound extremely difficult.

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I cannot recommend Mozart's piano concertos more highly. Play as many of them as you can. They may not be as flashy as the great Romantic ones, but especially the last dozen or so (in chronological order) are masterpieces, with plenty of technical challenges as well.

BTW, which Mozart A major concerto did you play? There's K 414 and K 488; don't overlook the earlier one :-)

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by enigmaestro
I also want a slightly more obscure concerto, and that's why I am leaning away from the Schumann and Beethovens 3 and 5. I am considering beethoven 4.

Beethoven 4 is more popular than 3 or 5 these days. Just sayin'. The more Mozartian 2 is the least popular, with good reason.

If you're going the popular route, the Grieg or Ravel G major or Prokofiev 1 would be a change from you've already done. If you really want to go obscure, there's Ginastera or Villa Lobos (quite a few to choose from). Or even Scriabin, which is too little played, probably because it sounds like a Russian version of Chopin and doesn't sound flashy.

For really obscure, there's Stenhammar and Hannikainen......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-HOwvjU6Xw


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Re: I'm new here. Question: what should I play for my next conce [Re: enigmaestro] #2859086
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Perhaps some Anton Rubinstein would fit. Here is his piano concerto no 4 in D minor which I think could do with a bit more attention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLpg39XnBaQ
said to be influential with the likes of Tchaikovsky and possibly Rachmaninov. I've no idea how complex it would be to play - well above my level, admittedly.


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Re: I'm new here. Question: what should I play for my next conce [Re: enigmaestro] #2859106
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Originally Posted by enigmaestro
Hello. I am new here.
I was wondering what concerto I should play next. I have played Mozart's A Major concerto and Saint Saens' 2nd concerto.

I am playing Aufschwung by Schumann, Beethoven sonata 3, and Bach's c minor toccata.

My teacher has a strange difficulty system, but I have proved it right every time (difficulty is subjective). For example, I played Chopin's 2nd ballade last year.

My teacher has currently given the choices of all Beethoven's concertos and the Schumann, but she is open to more. Not Chopins, Bachs, or extremely difficult ones either. I also want a slightly more obscure concerto, and that's why I am leaning away from the Schumann and Beethovens 3 and 5. I am considering beethoven 4. Thank you in advance.


In the not so well known, you could try the Clara Schumann one; she wrote it when she was 15 !

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Thanks for all the responses.
I know difficulty is subjective, but can someone Liszt the first movements (my teacher usually goes with the first movements for competitions) of the following concertos in order of general difficulty:
Liszt 1, 2, 3
Beethoven 3, 4, 5
Schumann

I also have small hands (barely reaching a tenth but can't in fast sections) since I am still in my early teenage years.

Again, thank you for the responses.

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I don't think someone with relatively little concerto experience should learn a very rarely played one like some of those suggested at this point. I don't think you'll have much chance to perform one of those. Also, unless you really love one of the obscure concertos, I think you'll have much greater satisfaction learning one of the masterpiece concertos by Beethoven, Mozart, Schumann, etc.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I don't think someone with relatively little concerto experience should learn a very rarely played one like some of those suggested at this point. I don't think you'll have much chance to perform one of those. Also, unless you really love one of the obscure concertos, I think you'll have much greater satisfaction learning one of the masterpiece concertos by Beethoven, Mozart, Schumann, etc.

Yes, that's why I will most likely go with a Beethoven concerto- but which one?

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You want an unusual Beethoven Concerto? The one in D major.


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Re: I'm new here. Question: what should I play for my next conce [Re: enigmaestro] #2859247
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Originally Posted by enigmaestro
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I don't think someone with relatively little concerto experience should learn a very rarely played one like some of those suggested at this point. I don't think you'll have much chance to perform one of those. Also, unless you really love one of the obscure concertos, I think you'll have much greater satisfaction learning one of the masterpiece concertos by Beethoven, Mozart, Schumann, etc.

Yes, that's why I will most likely go with a Beethoven concerto- but which one?
If your teacher thinks you're ready for any of them, why not go with the one you like best? Are you worried about difficulty or do you have to learn it relatively quickly?

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I don't think someone with relatively little concerto experience should learn a very rarely played one like some of those suggested at this point. I don't think you'll have much chance to perform one of those. Also, unless you really love one of the obscure concertos, I think you'll have much greater satisfaction learning one of the masterpiece concertos by Beethoven, Mozart, Schumann, etc.

Yes, that's why I will most likely go with a Beethoven concerto- but which one?
If your teacher thinks you're ready for any of them, why not go with the one you like best? Are you worried about difficulty or do you have to learn it relatively quickly?

I guess I want something that's less played and competitinons. As I said, I will probably play Beethoven's 4th Concerto.

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How would the first movements of Beethoven 4, 5, and Schumann compare in difficulty?

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Originally Posted by enigmaestro

I guess I want something that's less played and competitinons. As I said, I will probably play Beethoven's 4th Concerto.


I would not qualify Beethoven 4 as significantly less played. Maybe slightly less than 3 and 5. The least played would probably be number 2. But at the end you also have to feel comfortable with the piece. Each of them is quite different so it is also a pianistic choice, more important than the frequency.

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Hello everyone, thanks for all the responses so far.
My piano teacher has made me go with the Schumann (despite giving me a choice prior). I'm ok with it, since I like it, and when I asked my teacher, she said it wasn't overplayed at my age level.
Again, thanks for all the responses.

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The Mendelssohn G minor is an old war horse.
The Schumann concerto is great.If you can play the
opening section in the piano well.Then congratulations! Then go ahead and do the concerto.


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