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Re: New piano - advice based on my music room! [Re: OE1FEU] #2858409
06/14/19 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by OE1FEU
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Originally Posted by Hakki


I stopped reading after this bold statement: "Do not position a vertical piano or the tail of a grand in a room corner."
I think it's dangerous to dismiss an idea based on one specific case. Maybe your piano sounds best with the tail in the corner because of other factors in the room. Maybe it sounds best to you but other people would disagree with your assessment. I do think positioning a grand with the tail in a corner is quite popular although I don't know if that's for decorative or sound reasons.
I dismiss ideas when they have no foundation in terms of hard facts. To create a formula based on gut feeling meets that criterion.
You ignored what I said in my reply to your initial post. i.e. that other factors in the room might have caused the corner location to work well or that your personal choice of what sounded good might be different from other peoples' choices.

I don't think the author of the article under discussion created the formula on gut feeling. Although the formula may no longer be considered correct, he has 25 years' experience as an acoustical consultant.

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Re: New piano - advice based on my music room! [Re: adamp88] #2858586
06/14/19 04:20 PM
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Interesting debate that's kicked off. I really don't have a firm opinion on this, hence asking for input, though as I did say it does seem counterintuitive that a bigger piano has less scope for being overbearing, though obviously room accoustics also play their role outside of the size. But I don't really know, which makes this process a bit more difficult!

Originally Posted by adamp88
It would absolutely not be silly to consider the Steingraeber. That formula is merely a suggestion - 3 inches isn't going to take a piano from suiting a room to overpowering it. It is also somewhat of a myth that larger pianos are automatically going to be harder to control in smaller spaces. Larger pianos are often easier to control dynamically - due to more optimal action geometry among other things - indeed, concert grands are often easier to play quietly than small grands. When pushed to their limits, larger pianos could easily overwhelm a small room, but because there is easier access to all dynamic ranges (especially quiet playing), you might not ever get close to that point.

Besides, Steingraebers are truly outstanding, absolutely top-tier pianos. Try out as many different pianos as you can. Based on my experience and tonal preferences, the Steingraeber would be hard to beat, but it might be that you prefer the sound of Bosendorfers, or Grotrians, or Seilers, or Schimmels, or Faziolis, or Steinways, or one particular example from any of those. smile Go out and play as many as you can. Cast a wide net, and see what draws you back the most.


Thanks for your comments Adam. I've played a Steingraeber 170 but it was a couple of years ago, I have come on as a pianist since then, and of course it was only a 170. Really excited to try the 192. I've played quite a few Steinways and Bosendorfers, and a couple of Faziolis and Bluthners. I will give them all another try before making a decision, though!


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Re: New piano - advice based on my music room! [Re: The Hound] #2858592
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The Hound, sorry for the thread-jack (I may need to start my own thread soon to talk about the room size/piano size question more!)

I'll be interested to hear what you finally end up choosing. Good luck!


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Re: New piano - advice based on my music room! [Re: ShiroKuro] #2858596
06/14/19 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
The Hound, sorry for the thread-jack (I may need to start my own thread soon to talk about the room size/piano size question more!)

I'll be interested to hear what you finally end up choosing. Good luck!


Not at all good sir - it's all pertinent. Feel free to continue.

I will definitely post something on here when I've pulled the trigger on something, or earlier!


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Re: New piano - advice based on my music room! [Re: The Hound] #2858654
06/14/19 08:40 PM
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When I bought the GROTRIAN - 7'4", Number 2 on my list was a D Steinway (Hamburg) - about 15yrs old, came out of a concert hall. It had then been re-strung, hammers and dampers, completely re-finished etc and was a gorgeous piano. It was in a small studio / cum office, carpeted, about 18' x 11'.

It was so subtle, so well voiced and regulated, playing ppp was so easy - but then had fff at call. It was the nicest piano I've ever played, so responsive, I sat and played it for hours - trying to convince myself that there were no good reasons not to buy it.

My only reason for not buying it (it was $35k dearer but that wasn't an issue) was that they are very difficult to sell - and I'm not going to live forever. My children could accommodate a 7' piano once I'm gone - but not a 9' - and they'd likely have to dispose of it at a fraction of it's real value. I still often wonder if I made the wrong decision - but ...


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Re: New piano - advice based on my music room! [Re: The Hound] #2858664
06/14/19 09:21 PM
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Re: New piano - advice based on my music room! [Re: The Hound] #2858666
06/14/19 09:36 PM
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Great advice here so far, and I doubt I could add anything else.

Sometimes you just have to try it and see how it sounds... you can only predict or guess to an extent how a piano may sound in your music room. But you will never know for sure until you select a piano and see how it sounds in your music room. smile A 16'X14' (13'7") is not a small room.

My music room is 20'X20' with a 10 feet ceiling. I have two grand pianos in my music room now, a Yamaha C7 (7'4") and a Baldwin R 5'8" and both sound great to me. Fact is, they sound fantastic with me standing about 8 or 10 feet away from the pianos and someone else playing them (that knows how). smile

I also think the floor, walls and ceilings, furnishings, carpet/rug (or not) and other things can affect the acoustics of the room, probably more so than the piano itself.

Hope it all works out for the best!

Rick


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Re: New piano - advice based on my music room! [Re: Rickster] #2858672
06/14/19 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rickster
... have two grand pianos in my music room ...
TRIVIA
Keep teenagers away. I once heard of a room with a piano - and a band practising (school). Someone had the wild idea - went across to the piano, opened the lid and held the sustain pedal down for the entire length of a song. The resonating tones built up, but apparently changed as the "song" progressed.

I wasn't there - but my contact (the teacher) said it was verrrrrrry interesting. She actually thought it was about as musical as the band. Apparently it became the norm for that particular song. I'm glad they didn't have a 9' concert grand with good resonance.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: New piano - advice based on my music room! [Re: OE1FEU] #2859035
06/16/19 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by OE1FEU
First of all: Find a new place for the piano, away from the heating radiator.

Totally off topic, but 73s from WH6BY!

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