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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: Handyman] #2806837
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Originally Posted by Handyman
patH - about your signature: "Everything is possible, and nothing is sure".

Are you sure? smile

Doesn't the second part contradict, or negate, the first? One can't be sure that everything is possible...

In fact, doesn't the second part contradict or negate itself? One can't be sure that nothing is sure. ..

Further, doesn't the first part contradict or negate the second? If everything is possible then wouldn't that include being sure?

It's all a logical conundrum...

Of course I'm not sure. smile
But this sentence is true no matter what. Because if everything is possible, then it's also possible that this sentence is false. But you can't be sure about it.

But the two parts don't contradict each other.
If not everything was possible, then something would be impossible. meaning that the opposite would be sure.
Likewise, if something was sure, the opposite would be impossible.
Conclusion: If the first part is true, so is the second part. And vice-versa.

Sorry for the off-topic post. wink


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: Jitin] #2806903
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Originally Posted by Jitin
If you can impress a girl with your piano playing , then you are a pianist


How about changing it to "impress someone of the opposite sex....."


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: NobleHouse] #2806922
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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
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If you can impress a girl with your piano playing , then you are a pianist

How about changing it to "impress someone of the opposite sex....."

How about changing it to "impress someone of the appropriate gender..." smile


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2806944
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by NobleHouse
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If you can impress a girl with your piano playing , then you are a pianist

How about changing it to "impress someone of the opposite sex....."

How about changing it to "impress someone of the appropriate gender..." smile


Thank you for that one Tyrone!

But, how about changing it to "impress someone of the appropriate gender or any attractive person who is outside the gender binary and cisnormativity." smile


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: Animisha] #2806949
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Originally Posted by Animisha
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If you can impress a girl with your piano playing , then you are a pianist

How about changing it to "impress someone of the opposite sex....."

How about changing it to "impress someone of the appropriate gender..." smile


Thank you for that one Tyrone!

But, how about changing it to "impress someone of the appropriate gender or any attractive person who is outside the gender binary and cisnormativity." smile

Or how about just enjoying yourself.


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: Keselo] #2806987
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Originally Posted by Keselo
Or how about just enjoying yourself.

Keselo, you are the wisest of us all!


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: patH] #2807023
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Originally Posted by patH
Originally Posted by Handyman
patH - about your signature: "Everything is possible, and nothing is sure".

But this sentence is true no matter what.



If nothing is sure, how can you be sure? smile

One of the things that is impossible is deciphering twisted logic - now, this is a sure thing!

And this sentence is true, no matter what...


John

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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2858483
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Looks like I got the point.
I walked towards my car today and realized how calm and confident I was. No one taught me this - years of driving and big mileage turned me from timid beginner into confident mature driver. No matter when, where and how long should I drive.
I understood that I wanna feel the same feeling when I step to my piano. Сalmness and confidence, no matter when, what and where should I play. I hope I will feel it one day. This will be the moment I can answer "Yes" to everyone who asks "Can you play piano?".


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2858493
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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
I walked towards my car today and realized how calm and confident I was. No one taught me this - years of driving and big mileage turned me from timid beginner into confident mature driver. No matter when, where and how long should I drive.

Perhaps one could draw another analogy to piano and age. Those who initially learned to drive when they were young very quickly hit the stage of calm confidence you mention, even when in situations where they have no reason to be - either calm or confident:

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But many of those who only learned to drive as older adults, such as my mother, never attained a state of calm and confidence behind the wheel, even after more than 30 years, in my mother's case. She is as nervous approaching her car today as she was on the day she got her license, all those years ago.

So as an older piano learner, does this also apply to piano? Does the fact that I started much later in piano mean I may never reach the calm and confident stage no matter how long I work at it? Will play piano be like my speaking Russian which I also only learned as an adult? laugh Because if so, then cry


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2858498
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Those who initially learned to drive when they were young very quickly hit the stage of calm confidence you mention, even when in situations where they have no reason to be - either calm or confident:


But many of those who only learned to drive as older adults, such as my mother, never attained a state of calm and confidence behind the wheel, even after more than 30 years, in my mother's case. She is as nervous approaching her car as she was on the day she got her license.

So as an older piano learner, does this also apply to piano? Does the fact that I started much later in piano mean I will never reach the calm and confident stage?


Yes, I've heard abot such a people... Even automatic transmission (tham makes driving way easier) doens't help them feel more confident...

But what age is "very young" when it goes about learning driving? As for me, I tried driving for the first time and got my driving license at the age of 29. So, I have my license for 7 years. It is considered that an avarage driver covers about 20 000 per year. So, 7 years of experience = 140 000 rm pf miliage. But my miliage is much bigger, it's about 260 000 km. So, it equal to 13 years of expirience.


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2858669
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Greetings - I'm new to the forum. I've grappled with this question a long time. Hope I don't get too deep..

I'm 61 and started formal lessons at 7. First recital at 9. Terribly driven parents. Accepted into college at 15 as a piano major. Second piano degree at 24. Opened a retail piano store after that. Associate PTG member.
It sounds snobby, right? I agree. But what I've learned is this - to me being a piano player means I can "speak" through the instrument. It's a language.
All the theory and composition goes out the window and it's just thought transference through the fingers to the piano - reaching the listener.

Proficiency means nothing. To be a piano player means that what you play is enjoyed by yourself and others. Don't overthink it and don't think you're not worthy - the secret has been right there the whole time patiently waiting for you

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Originally Posted by ELPFAN
Greetings - I'm new to the forum. I've grappled with this question a long time. Hope I don't get too deep..

I'm 61 and started formal lessons at 7. First recital at 9. Terribly driven parents. Accepted into college at 15 as a piano major. Second piano degree at 24. Opened a retail piano store after that. Associate PTG member.
It sounds snobby, right? I agree. But what I've learned is this - to me being a piano player means I can "speak" through the instrument. It's a language.
All the theory and composition goes out the window and it's just thought transference through the fingers to the piano - reaching the listener.

Proficiency means nothing. To be a piano player means that what you play is enjoyed by yourself and others. Don't overthink it and don't think you're not worthy - the secret has been right there the whole time patiently waiting for you



A language... I use this as an explanation why almost all of the professional pianists (of those I know personally) never compose. They perform only. Some can impovise a when they are alone at home, but never show any compositions or something on public.
It's like with spoken languages. The fact you can speak any language fluent and know it's gramma well doesn't mean you can write Shakespeare-level sonnets in this language.Or something readable, at least.
That is why arrogance of some academic pianists makes me laugh. They usually say about pop songs:"Oh, tha's so primitive. The simpliest harmonies etc." And than I ask "OK, compose a couple of pop-hits right now, if it's so easy and primitive". And she or he answer "I cannot" or plays something that I would never call a hit, ha-ha smile


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2859144
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
So as an older piano learner, does this also apply to piano? Does the fact that I started much later in piano mean I may never reach the calm and confident stage no matter how long I work at it? Will play piano be like my speaking Russian which I also only learned as an adult? laugh Because if so, then cry

I don't think the ability to drive a car or speak a language are quite comparable to playing the piano. Even as adult learners, you are not supposed to practise driving a certain route or or practise engaging in a certain conversation. Once you can drive, you can basically drive anywhere, and once you speak a language, you can basically engage in any conversation. When playing the piano, unless you are some kind of genius, you always have to practise your pieces. And for most of the pieces that you practise, you can reach the calm and confident stage.


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: ELPFAN] #2859213
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Originally Posted by ELPFAN
being a piano player means I can "speak" through the instrument. It's a language.
All the theory and composition goes out the window and it's just thought transference through the fingers to the piano - reaching the listener.

Proficiency means nothing. To be a piano player means that what you play is enjoyed by yourself and others. Don't overthink it and don't think you're not worthy - the secret has been right there the whole time patiently waiting for you


My thoughts exactly.


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Re: What does it mean - to be able to play piano? [Re: Animisha] #2859311
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Originally Posted by Animisha
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
So as an older piano learner, does this also apply to piano? Does the fact that I started much later in piano mean I may never reach the calm and confident stage no matter how long I work at it? Will play piano be like my speaking Russian which I also only learned as an adult? laugh Because if so, then cry

I don't think the ability to drive a car or speak a language are quite comparable to playing the piano. Even as adult learners, you are not supposed to practise driving a certain route or or practise engaging in a certain conversation. Once you can drive, you can basically drive anywhere, and once you speak a language, you can basically engage in any conversation. When playing the piano, unless you are some kind of genius, you always have to practise your pieces. And for most of the pieces that you practise, you can reach the calm and confident stage.


May be, if we talk about everyday driving. But when it comes to racing, Formula 1 or rallies, for example, racers study each new unfamiliar track very carefully, before they can go thru it with fast speed. And, as in piano playing, the better your overall driving skill the faster you are getting used to the new tracks.


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