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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano
j&j #2857620 06/11/19 08:29 PM
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This kind of instruments were made for other purposes rather than for playing. Some(that I know) were never been played

I understand but what a terrible terrible shame. A Hamburg Steinway & Son’s that won’t be played. 🥺
That’s like one of those Porsche 911 Turbo with only 5 actual miles since new. My heavens! Who wants to buy a collector Porsche and not be able to drive it! It’s just a crying shame. A Steinway is meant to be played for many years, not just as a decoration!
If someone wants to buy a piano purely for decorative or aesthetic purposes that's perfectly OK, and I strongly feel they should not be criticized for it. According to a Steinway salesperson I met, a significant percent of Steinways are bought for that reason, and Steinway might have a difficult time without that kind of customer.

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At least people are buying pianos. Important for dealers,
manufacturers and therefore for piano lovers.

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Without people buying status symbols, the "high-end" piano companies might have gone bankrupt a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by j&j
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This kind of instruments were made for other purposes rather than for playing. Somes (that I know) were never been played

I understand but what a terrible terrible shame. A Hamburg Steinway & Son’s that won’t be played. 🥺
That’s like one of those Porsche 911 Turbo with only 5 actual miles since new. My heavens! Who wants to buy a collector Porsche and not be able to drive it! It’s just a crying shame. A Steinway is meant to be played for many years, not just as a decoration! A Porsche is meant to be driven. I’m starting to sound like those guys on Mecum. Ok. I’ll have a glass of wine and calm down. grin

I understand how you feel J&J ! I hope you had your glass
of wine. It seems like a criminal act to have a beautiful, expensive
grand piano just standing in lovely home,carefully dusted,tuned
once a year !!! Oh well !

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I understand how you feel J&J ! I hope you had your glass of wine. It seems like a criminal act to have a beautiful, expensive grand piano just standing in lovely home, carefully dusted, tuned once a year !!! Oh well !
People should be free to buy a piano for any reason they want without being criticized for it. Pianos are beautiful furniture so buying a piano only for its furniture aspect is completely reasonable.

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I understand how you feel J&J ! I hope you had your glass of wine. It seems like a criminal act to have a beautiful, expensive grand piano just standing in lovely home, carefully dusted, tuned once a year !!! Oh well !
People should be free to buy a piano for any reason they want without being criticized for it. Pianos are beautiful furniture so buying a piano only for its furniture aspect is completely reasonable.


Tuned once a year? Luckily piano! My Hamburg Steinway C, I bought it from a rich family who got it for 10 years without any tuning, just carefully dusted. Even the lid wasn't opened once...


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I would not mind one of those regular Bösendorfer's or
Steinways grands ----- to play.

I would take even signed ones, if they were free for me!



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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I understand how you feel J&J ! I hope you had your glass of wine. It seems like a criminal act to have a beautiful, expensive grand piano just standing in lovely home, carefully dusted, tuned once a year !!! Oh well !
People should be free to buy a piano for any reason they want without being criticized for it. Pianos are beautiful furniture so buying a piano only for its furniture aspect is completely reasonable.

You are right as usual Pianoloverus. People can buy whatever they want (except exotic endangered pets) and shouldn’t be criticized. And buying a ‘63 split window Corvette that’s never driven does bring fabulous money if it’s stored and never driven. But it is a shame to buy something designed to be played to create music with a pure singing sound and never play it. Or even hire a skilled pianist to play it at a dinner party. But then maybe someone like our trandinhnamh can buy it later and bring it’s beautiful voice out for family and friends to enjoy.


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I understand how you feel J&J ! I hope you had your glass of wine. It seems like a criminal act to have a beautiful, expensive grand piano just standing in lovely home, carefully dusted, tuned once a year !!! Oh well !
People should be free to buy a piano for any reason they want without being criticized for it. Pianos are beautiful furniture so buying a piano only for its furniture aspect is completely reasonable.


Tuned once a year? Luckily piano! My Hamburg Steinway C, I bought it from a rich family who got it for 10 years without any tuning, just carefully dusted. Even the lid wasn't opened once...

That is just amazing ! I can see you appreciate this incredible piano so that is a great beginning of a new life for the piano.
Yes I think WE all want pianos to be sold from the dealers.That is
vital, but it is OK if people express thier feelings.
New pianos must keep selling.Especially European pianos where
(hope I am wrong)piano manufacturers could be sold to some Chinese firm or worse when pianos end up as a stencel.
No doubt I will cause a mini war now,hope not.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I understand how you feel J&J ! I hope you had your glass of wine. It seems like a criminal act to have a beautiful, expensive grand piano just standing in lovely home, carefully dusted, tuned once a year !!! Oh well !
People should be free to buy a piano for any reason they want without being criticized for it. Pianos are beautiful furniture so buying a piano only for its furniture aspect is completely reasonable.


Tuned once a year? Luckily piano! My Hamburg Steinway C, I bought it from a rich family who got it for 10 years without any tuning, just carefully dusted. Even the lid wasn't opened once...

That is just amazing ! I can see you appreciate this incredible piano so that is a great beginning of a new life for the piano.
Yes I think WE all want pianos to be sold from the dealers.That is
vital, but it is OK if people express thier feelings.
New pianos must keep selling.Especially European pianos where
(hope I am wrong)piano manufacturers could be sold to some Chinese firm or worse when pianos end up as a stencel.
No doubt I will cause a mini war now,hope not.


So sad for FEURICH, PLEYEL, WILHEM STEINBERG. They were great brands of the past.


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Yes it is and I am sorry Pleyel has now fallen into the same
situation .We were in Paris last year and looked in the dealers
for these pianos.Has Pleyel been taken over by a different
firm in China ?

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I understand how you feel J&J ! I hope you had your glass of wine. It seems like a criminal act to have a beautiful, expensive grand piano just standing in lovely home, carefully dusted, tuned once a year !!! Oh well !
People should be free to buy a piano for any reason they want without being criticized for it. Pianos are beautiful furniture so buying a piano only for its furniture aspect is completely reasonable.


Yet in doing so, S&S seem to have ended up with a piano that generates the most sales as a status furniture item -- because, as it turns out, there are way more people with money to burn than music to make. In turn, we have a beautiful set array of pianos priced to sell as furniture.

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Yet in doing so, S&S seem to have ended up with a piano that generates the most sales as a status furniture item -- because, as it turns out, there are way more people with money to burn than music to make. In turn, we have a beautiful set array of pianos priced to sell as furniture.


This is simply not true. The great majority of individuals who purchase Steinway pianos not only play, but they play at an intermediate or advanced level. I'm not sure who it is that seems so committed to perpetuating the "buying a Steinway piano as a status furniture item" myth - - but regardless, it is simply not accurate.


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Nothing wrong with something being a status symbol.

Originally Posted by Bob Snyder
I'm not sure who it is that seems so committed to perpetuating the "buying a Steinway piano as a status furniture item" myth - -

This is sort of a two-part thing:

1) I think there's truth to the notion that a Steinway is a status symbol. That's not a criticism. It's simply a fact.

2) Re. the related notion that only the "worthy" should be allowed to buy one, sadly, that's the green-eyed monster. He rears his ugly head here from time to time.

Originally Posted by Bob Snyder
The great majority of individuals who purchase Steinway pianos not only play, but they play at an intermediate or advanced level.

It'd be interesting to see this assertion supported by concrete data.



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Originally Posted by Bob Snyder
I'm not sure who it is that seems so committed to perpetuating the "buying a Steinway piano as a status furniture item" myth - - but regardless, it is simply not accurate.


Perhaps things like when your company introduced Spirio and it was playback only cause us to think along those lines?


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It's fine to express emotions over great pianos that are not
played.I bet most of us may have had green eyed monsters about
something. But it is only rational that these pianos get sold.
People spend money all the time on things they do not use.
So yes please somebody buy that incredible Maly Ambiente
Sauter grand downtown Vancouver BC.It would great to know
because I would like the Sauter as a brand to survive just as
I would all the great piano brands to survive.

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Originally Posted by mcontraveos
Yet in doing so, S&S seem to have ended up with a piano that generates the most sales as a status furniture item -- because, as it turns out, there are way more people with money to burn than music to make. In turn, we have a beautiful set array of pianos priced to sell as furniture.
To me, your post is an example of a prejudice I think some people have against wealthy people. I say that because of your description of them as having "money to burn" and not interested in music. Having a lot of money or not being interested in music does not make someone a bad person.


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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Yet in doing so, S&S seem to have ended up with a piano that generates the most sales as a status furniture item -- because, as it turns out, there are way more people with money to burn than music to make. In turn, we have a beautiful set array of pianos priced to sell as furniture.
To me, your post is an example of a prejudice I think some people have against wealthy people. I say that because of your description of them as having "money to burn" and not interested in music. Having a lot of money or not being interested in music does not make someone a bad person.



I agree with pianoloverus again.



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To me it depends, perhaps his way of describing what he sees.Describing "someone with money to burn" is just another
slang way of describing a wealthy person by a person with more modest means.
Perhaps I just feel that there so many in this world who REALLY suffer real prejudice and who's whole lives are affected by it.

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This is a piano forum. People here have an unusual love of the piano. Some of us think it's a shame to see a lovely piano go to waste. It has nothing to do with money or class, or any other social construct. On a piano forum, many people will be sad to see a piano that's not loved as a musical instrument.

It's the same when parents buy a piano for a child who gives up after a while. It doesn't matter if it's an expensive piano or not -not that there are any cheap pianos.

Maybe we're weird here, but a lot of use regard our pianos as our friends. OK, maybe it's just me. grin

It's not about who can afford what; not for all of us at least.

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