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Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? #2857492 06/11/19 10:17 AM
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Hey Folks, does anyone know of a source for finger exercises, something like Hanon or Czerny, but in the jazz idiom? I would like to find short drills in different scales and modes, pentonic, blues, dorian, etc, and in different keys. I've written a few of my own but it would be great to find something written by someone with a lot more expertise in jazz than I have.

I have also thought about grabbing a few licks from actual transcriptions and using those as the basis for exercises.

Thoughts?

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Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: KenBakerMN] #2857504 06/11/19 11:03 AM
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I humbly suggest the jazzhanon exercises in Joy of Improv, vol 1+2, published by Hal Leonard.

Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: KenBakerMN] #2857507 06/11/19 11:06 AM
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I often take the Hanon exercises, but just play them over a different scale. For instance, Hanon Exercise No. 1 in C major starts: "C E F G A G F E". If I want to practice the C blues scale, I would play: "C F Gb G Bb G Gb F" (I skip the 2nd step of the blues scale (Eb) , just like the 2nd step is skipped in C major (D)). I usually play the exercise with a swing rhythm.

There is also a book called "Jazz Hanon" which I have not tried. I like inventing my own exercises, because then I get to be a little bit creative with my practice.

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Here are several books, including specific Hanon exercises for Blues and Boogie-Woogie at a pretty good price:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254259222875


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Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: Adam Malone] #2857666 06/12/19 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Dfrankjazz
I humbly suggest the jazzhanon exercises in Joy of Improv, vol 1+2, published by Hal Leonard.
It looks great!

Originally Posted by Adam Malone
I often take the Hanon exercises, but just play them over a different scale. For instance, Hanon Exercise No. 1 in C major starts: "C E F G A G F E". If I want to practice the C blues scale, I would play: "C F Gb G Bb G Gb F" (I skip the 2nd step of the blues scale (Eb) , just like the 2nd step is skipped in C major (D)). I usually play the exercise with a swing rhythm.

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Specificity of jazz (without mentioning the swing feel) is in the areas of rhythmic - melodic shapes , articulation and chord voicings. All this is completely absent in traditional Hanon. For my part, I recommend Comprehensive Technique for Jazz Musicians by Bert Ligon.
https://www.amazon.com/Comprehensive-Technique-Jazz-Musicians-Instruments/dp/0634001760

Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: KenBakerMN] #2857828 06/12/19 01:36 PM
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Great ideas, folks. I'll check into those.

Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: Dfrankjazz] #2861617 06/22/19 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dfrankjazz
I humbly suggest the jazzhanon exercises in Joy of Improv, vol 1+2, published by Hal Leonard.

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Cannot recommend these books highly enough.


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Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: Adam Malone] #2883081 08/24/19 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam Malone
I often take the Hanon exercises, but just play them over a different scale. For instance, Hanon Exercise No. 1 in C major starts: "C E F G A G F E". If I want to practice the C blues scale, I would play: "C F Gb G Bb G Gb F" (I skip the 2nd step of the blues scale (Eb) , just like the 2nd step is skipped in C major (D)). I usually play the exercise with a swing rhythm.

There is also a book called "Jazz Hanon" which I have not tried. I like inventing my own exercises, because then I get to be a little bit creative with my practice.

I just checked out Jazz Hanon on YouTube, it sounds like an amazing exercise book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jYmc_ET2Lc&t=138s

Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: KenBakerMN] #2883120 08/24/19 07:35 PM
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Once I did creat my own "Hanon-Exercises". If they are transposed by heart it will be certainly a good exercise for orientation on the keyboard and furthermore they are streching a bit more your hands than the original Hanon exercises because each figure includes an octave range.

Here is one of these exercises:

It is based on the cadence II V I VI.
The chords and scales are:
Gm9 (F Pentatonic) - C7alt (Gb Pentatonic) - Fma9 (G Pentatonic) - D7alt (Ab Pentatonic).
As you easily can see meanwhile the cadence follows the circle of fifth, the pentatonic scales raise up by each chord change a semitone. That's pretty hip.


It is based on Hanon exercise No:1 using non-heptatonic pentatonic scales played in eight-note-triplets which results in three groups of 4 eightnote triplets within a bar.
This exercise could be done with most of the Hanon figures following a pattern of transformation from heptatonic to pentatonic scale which means, when Hanon skips a note in the heptatonic scale it has to be skiped a note in the pentatonic scale.
The pattern f a d' c' bb c' bb a is transformed into the pattern f a f' d' c' d' c' a.

Here is an audio example ->
https://soundcloud.com/user-968193710-382614964/sets/hanon


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Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: Cudo] #2883126 08/24/19 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cudo
It is based on Hanon exercise No:1
It's of course based on No.2.


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That sounded really great. Having trouble picking up the pattern though. Is it in your left hand more than right?

Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: joggerjazz] #2883315 08/25/19 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by joggerjazz
That sounded really great. Having trouble picking up the pattern though. Is it in your left hand more than right?

Maybe this illustration helps. -->

https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-e00425-1566752718.jpg.html

The rhythmic of the right hand is similar to the audio file. The notes are different.

Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: Cudo] #2883602 08/26/19 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Cudo
Great exercise, and sounds great! I also began to learn it, but in stages: at first only the first pattern from C, stretched over the entire cycle, with a full comp of l.h..

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Yes, that makes more sense. Thanks.
Are you using it in Midnight Waltz which sounds great?

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Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: Nahum] #2884027 08/27/19 10:42 AM
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I also began to learn it, but in stages: at first only the first pattern from C, stretched over the entire cycle, with a full comp of l.h..


This is of course helpful.

Here is the sheet of the audio file.
It takes one Hanon figure (8 notes) for the first chord and two Hanon figures for the following chord. This pattern repeats.

https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-068398-1566920441.jpg.html

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Originally Posted by Cudo

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Here is the sheet of the audio file.
It takes one Hanon figure (8 notes) for the first chord and two Hanon figures for the following chord. This pattern repeats.

https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-068398-1566920441.jpg.html
Thanks, Cudo, I took it by ear exactly ; but so far at a very slow pace. My former student, Tamir Hendelman, advises transcribing in this particular way. What kind of Hanon is this?

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Originally Posted by Nahum
What kind of Hanon is this?

I invented this for my students to give a bit more live to the by itself very dry Hanon exercises. ;-)
By the way - In rhythmic terms it was for my students very helpful to accentuate the first note of each 8-note-figure to get a feeling for halfnote triplets.

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What kind of Hanon is this?

I invented this for my students to give a bit more live to the by itself very dry Hanon exercises. ;-)

What a pity ! In the 80s - 90s, I worked in the jazz department of Jerusalem Academy, where the level of students exactly suited your exercises; but I did not own the music editor at all. Today it is not difficult to create such exercises on a computer, only college students are far from that level ...

Re: Drills or Exercised for Jazz Piano? [Re: KenBakerMN] #2885233 08/30/19 02:06 PM
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I ended up getting Comprehensive Technique for Jazz Musicians by Bert Ligon. Looks like a great resource.

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I have been playing around with Oscar Peterson's Jazz Exercises, Minuets, Etudes & Pieces. The exercises in the beginning of the book are hanon-like, and each is pared with a musical minuet to apply the teachings of the exercise. The second half of the book contains etudes, pieces, and exercises geared at building your mechanical chops for jazz performance.

As a longtime player of classical and romantic era music, I have definitely gained some new technical skills from this material. In these jazz passages, the hands must move and stretch differently than what I am used to. The fourth and fifth fingers on my right hand especially were given some interesting challenges.

More than that, Peterson's compositions are musically interesting and a delight to play.

I recommend 100%


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