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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: Vuong] #2855520
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Originally Posted by Vuong
The nice grand Sauter designed by Peter Maly still looks better than the black diamond Steinway.

Yes the" Ambience " I think it's called, looks like it comes
from a Batman movie.I have played that one and its wonderful.
There is one downtown Vancouver,at some unspeakable price.

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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: j&j] #2855536
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We heard and played the Black Diamond Model B Spirio R at our Steinway dealer in Walnut Creek, CA. They also had a regular Model B Spiro R. The main difference besides the details of the two cases, was that the regular B Spirio R is a NY Steinway and the Black Diamond Spirio R is a Hamburg. Also the BD cost about $100K more than the regular Spirio R. BTW, our dealer said we could get a regular Hamburg Model B Spirio R if we wanted. We liked the Hamburg better (not because is was a Lang Lang). Our demo was about a month ago. Not sure whether all BD models are Hamburg.

BTW, cosmetically the NY Model B looks much closer to the Hamburg, in shape and color of the inside of the case. Still a few cosmetic differences and other differences in components, etc. My wife preferred playing the Hamburg, which she has over the years.

I later read in the BD Spirio brochure that LL has recorded some pieces just for BD owners, not available to regular Spirio owners.


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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: Lady Bird] #2855542
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by Vuong
The nice grand Sauter designed by Peter Maly still looks better than the black diamond Steinway.

Yes the" Ambience " I think it's called, looks like it comes
from a Batman movie.I have played that one and its wonderful.
There is one downtown Vancouver,at some unspeakable price.

The correct spelling is "Ambiente" and it is almost a full concert
grand.For a few $K more you can get this one in crystals as well.
It would suit a flamboyant pop star.

Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: astrotoy] #2855592
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Originally Posted by astrotoy
. . . Black Diamond Spirio R is a Hamburg. Also the BD cost about $100K more than the regular Spirio R.

Since people tend to fall in either the New York or Hamburg camp, I wondered why Steinway didn’t specify in their promo material to which camp the Black Diamond belonged.
From the pricing i’ve seen it seems like the Black Diamond would be more than a $100k premium in the U.S.!?
Especially since their is a nice little up charge just for the standard Hamburg model.


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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: jeffscot] #2855598
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Originally Posted by jeffscot
Originally Posted by astrotoy
. . . Black Diamond Spirio R is a Hamburg. Also the BD cost about $100K more than the regular Spirio R.

Since people tend to fall in either the New York or Hamburg camp, I wondered why Steinway didn’t specify in their promo material to which camp the Black Diamond belonged.
From the pricing i’ve seen it seems like the Black Diamond would be more than a $100k premium in the U.S.!?
Especially since their is a nice little up charge just for the standard Hamburg model.


If they make Hamburg too much of a selling point, it's like saying NY is inferior.

If the piano is aimed at a market outside of the Americas, Hamburg is all that's generally available anyway. There is no premium for Hamburg Steinway, as there is no NY premium, provided they are being sold in their intended markets.

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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: johnstaf] #2855614
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
]If they make Hamburg too much of a selling point, it's like saying NY is inferior.

If the piano is aimed at a market outside of the Americas, Hamburg is all that's generally available anyway. There is no premium for Hamburg Steinway, as there is no NY premium, provided they are being sold in their intended markets.

Didn’t mean to make it a selling point, but it’s obviously information a prospective customer would want to know.
In reference to premiums on Hamburgs I stated “in the U.S.”. thumb


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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: jeffscot] #2855948
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Originally Posted by jeffscot
Originally Posted by johnstaf
]If they make Hamburg too much of a selling point, it's like saying NY is inferior.

If the piano is aimed at a market outside of the Americas, Hamburg is all that's generally available anyway. There is no premium for Hamburg Steinway, as there is no NY premium, provided they are being sold in their intended markets.

Didn’t mean to make it a selling point, but it’s obviously information a prospective customer would want to know.
In reference to premiums on Hamburgs I stated “in the U.S.”. thumb




NY Steinway is REALLY inferior, that's TRUE. We should accept this evidence.


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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: j&j] #2855983
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Originally Posted by jeffscot
Since people tend to fall in either the New York or Hamburg camp, I wondered why Steinway didn’t specify in their promo material to which camp the Black Diamond belonged.

Most of us do (fall into a camp), and it sounds like exactly zero of us are in the market for a Black Diamond Steinway. I venture to say that most people in the market for the BD don't even know there's a Hamburg factory -- or even know how to play piano.

I just took a look at prices: Hamburg's model B clocks in at €108k, NY's at $112k. I think the premium might have more to do with exchange rates (and tariffs, possibly) than anything else.

Sources: https://www.piano-haus-kunze.de/katalog/fluegel/, Piano Buyer

Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: KL NY] #2855984
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Originally Posted by KL NY
This reminds me the Leica camera...

Leica M Monochrom Drifte

Well, the D looks really nice , much better than the normal polish black

Better with a nice pristine Leica IIIG red dial

Ian


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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: j&j] #2855998
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Well the Steinway BD is way out of my wheel house. Money-wise and piano proficiency-wise. cry But it’s still fun to look.
I also love to look at Porsche’s, Bugatti’s, and McLaren’s. Well out of my price range and well beyond my driving ability. I just love to look at them and appreciate the design. There are probably a few people here that can afford the BD and can really play it to bring out the Steinway Hamburg’s beautiful tone. When I was much younger, I use to be envious but now I’m just thankful for what I have. smile


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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: Beemer] #2856001
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Originally Posted by KL NY
This reminds me the Leica camera...

Leica M Monochrom Drifte

Well, the D looks really nice , much better than the normal polish black

Better with a nice pristine Leica IIIG red dial

Ian

That's the entire reason to buy those cameras...

Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: mcontraveos] #2856037
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Originally Posted by mcontraveos
I just took a look at prices: Hamburg's model B clocks in at €108k, NY's at $112k. I think the premium might have more to do with exchange rates (and tariffs, possibly) than anything else.

Yeah, air freight from Hamburg to the U.S. is inconsequential. wink

Hamburg pricing is on PianoBuyers list BTW.


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The point was to counter the notion that the premium/premia is/are due to some mythical quality of the pianos themselves.

Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: trandinhnamanh] #2856087
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Originally Posted by trandinhnamanh

NY Steinway is REALLY inferior, that's TRUE. We should accept this evidence.


The same irrational nonsense, again...

Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: johnstaf] #2856089
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by trandinhnamanh

NY Steinway is REALLY inferior, that's TRUE. We should accept this evidence.


The same irrational nonsense, again...

To be fair, his piano looks absolutely *astounding*. But it probably also sounds like cultural elitism and infinite blandness.

Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: mcontraveos] #2856140
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Originally Posted by mcontraveos
Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by trandinhnamanh

NY Steinway is REALLY inferior, that's TRUE. We should accept this evidence.


The same irrational nonsense, again...

To be fair, his piano looks absolutely *astounding*. But it probably also sounds like cultural elitism and infinite blandness.


Some evidences are just really not quite easy to accept...


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Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: j&j] #2856304
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To be completely truthful here, I posted the link because I thought the BD had an extra distinguished look. Somewhat like a full formal tuxedo. I also thought it could be a bit controversial with the whole NY vs Hamburg or maybe Steinway vs any other piano made. It took awhile but I’m enjoying the educational opinions. Carry On. grin


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It's got a very distinctive appearance -- I appreciate the design, but I'm not sure I'd want it at home.

Further, I know I'm definitely not immune to the power of suggestion -- I wonder how differently I would perceive music played on that piano.

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Both NY Steinways and the Hamburg Steinways are obviously
excellent pianos.The one is graded tier one and other tier two
in Fine's piano ratings.So please you have the kinds of grands
some are even afraid to dream of !

Re: Steinway’s Black Diamond Piano [Re: johnstaf] #2856517
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by trandinhnamanh

NY Steinway is REALLY inferior, that's TRUE. We should accept this evidence.


The same irrational nonsense, again...


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