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Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: Vilhelm Moqvist] #2855137
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Originally Posted by Vilhelm Moqvist
I really felt bad for Harmony Zhu. Her performances on Youtube are so great, but she clearly cracked under the pressure. Her etude was very shaky and she skipped almost half of the Catenaires (Would never dare to play that one in a competition!). In the end these kinds of competitions really are competitions in nerves,


I felt the same. frown We may see her again in 4 years, though. I hope so.


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Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: coaster] #2855207
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Originally Posted by coaster
Originally Posted by Vilhelm Moqvist
I was only able to watch the first half yesterday, but for me there were no real standouts. I thought Hao-Wei Lins performance was beautiful though.


If you get a chance, watch Rossen and Jiwong Yang once their performances are on YouTube. They were the standouts. Definitely.


I agree. I like Rossen. His playing is so organic, love it!!! Yesterday, I just happened to see his playing, without listening. His fingers are so busy (ugly too), but the sound is just wonderful. I believe he will place.

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I came a day late to this, so I've been catching up by listening to YouTube prelim videos, as well as the quarterfinal livefeeds. Standout performances for me have been Shunta Morimoto's Scriabin op. 38 Waltz (one of Scriabin's most underplayed works, IMHO), JiWon Yang's Saint-Saens etude, and Eva Gevorgyan's Liszt Rhapsody. Glad those three youngsters made it to the quarterfinals.

Also: I thought one of the contestants looked familiar and had a familiar name, and sure enough, Shuan Hern Lee was the subject of a thread here on Piano World one month ago...regarding his involvement in a controversy in another piano competition. Link here, in case anyone missed it:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...competition-in-shenzhen.html#Post2844500

Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: coaster] #2855266
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There are so many wonderful performances, and excellent programming of repertoire.


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Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: coaster] #2855798
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I was sad to see Shunta Morimoto left out of the semifinal picks...he continued to impress me in the quarterfinal. Of the final six, Eva Gevorgyan has impressed me the most so far...she reminds of a young(er) Valentina Lisitsa in some ways. I thought her Saint-Saens had even more bravura than Yang's...and more clarity in spots.

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Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: scriabinfanatic] #2855826
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Originally Posted by scriabinfanatic
I was sad to see Shunta Morimoto left out of the semifinal picks...he continued to impress me in the quarterfinal. Of the final six, Eva Gevorgyan has impressed me the most so far...she reminds of a young(er) Valentina Lisitsa in some ways. I thought her Saint-Saens had even more bravura than Yang's...and more clarity in spots.

I like that comparison you made between Eva and Valentina. I also like her playing a lot, She is already a great virtuoso. Might be my favorite too right now. I was greatly dissapointed that Rossen did not make it to the semifinals though.

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So far Shuan Hern Lee has impressed me the most. He plays like a truly mature artist. I loved his Bach Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue in the quarterfinal.


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Originally Posted by Vilhelm Moqvist
I really felt bad for Harmony Zhu. Her performances on Youtube are so great, but she clearly cracked under the pressure. Her etude was very shaky and she skipped almost half of the Catenaires (Would never dare to play that one in a competition!). In the end these kinds of competitions really are competitions in nerves,


Harmony was sick for several days and had not eat for three days. She was still having fever when on stage. But her Rachmaninoff was great. The sickness sealed her fate in this competition. But she is young and next time the ball will be in her court.


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Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: pianofan1017] #2855944
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Originally Posted by pianofan1017
Originally Posted by Vilhelm Moqvist
I really felt bad for Harmony Zhu. Her performances on Youtube are so great, but she clearly cracked under the pressure. Her etude was very shaky and she skipped almost half of the Catenaires (Would never dare to play that one in a competition!). In the end these kinds of competitions really are competitions in nerves,


Harmony was sick for several days and had not eat for three days. She was still having fever when on stage. But her Rachmaninoff was great. The sickness sealed her fate in this competition. But she is young and next time the ball will be in her court.

Oh, I didn't know that. That explains it.

Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: pianofan1017] #2855974
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Originally Posted by pianofan1017


Harmony was sick for several days and had not eat for three days. She was still having fever when on stage. But her Rachmaninoff was great. The sickness sealed her fate in this competition. But she is young and next time the ball will be in her court.


The poor girl! What rotten luck. Yes, her Rachmaninoff was just lovely. She was cute as a button in the little interview piece they showed before her performance. Such a typical, bubbly 7th grader... just like the ones I teach every day. So I was really rooting for her to do well. I hope we see her again in 4 years.


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Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: Hakki] #2856095
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Originally Posted by Hakki
IMO the winner is clear. Shuan Hern Lee.


As far as "competition playing" goes you're probably right, although I find him a little bland. I'd be more interested in hearing Jiwon Yang or Benjamin Rossen in concert. Both are more interesting artists, and I don't think I've ever heard a better Norma than hers. It'll probably be Lee, Yang, and Gevorgyan in the finals.

Speaking of Harmony Zhu, it seems that her video was set to private on the Cliburn channel.

Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: Brendan] #2856101
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Originally Posted by Brendan
I'd be more interested in hearing Jiwon Yang or Benjamin Rossen in concert. Both are more interesting artists, and I don't think I've ever heard a better Norma than hers. It'll probably be Lee, Yang, and Gevorgyan in the finals.


I was disappointed that Rossen didn't advance. He was one of my favorites. Of the remaining six, the three girls are my favorites.


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Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: Brendan] #2856102
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Originally Posted by Brendan

Speaking of Harmony Zhu, it seems that her video was set to private on the Cliburn channel.


I noticed that too.

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Amazing performance ... now down to final 3.

Eva Gevorgyan, Russia/Armenia, 15—RACHMANINOV Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini, op. 43
Shuan Hern Lee, Australia, 16—RACHMANINOV Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, op. 30
Intermission
JiWon Yang, South Korea, 17—TCHAIKOVSKY Concerto No. 1 in B-flat Minor, op. 23

Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: Brendan] #2856463
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Originally Posted by Brendan
Originally Posted by Hakki
IMO the winner is clear. Shuan Hern Lee.


As far as "competition playing" goes you're probably right, although I find him a little bland. I'd be more interested in hearing Jiwon Yang or Benjamin Rossen in concert. Both are more interesting artists, and I don't think I've ever heard a better Norma than hers. It'll probably be Lee, Yang, and Gevorgyan in the finals.

You nailed the 3 finalists!

But I have a question: what do you mean by "competition playing"? Is it something showy designed to impress the jury? Is the jury that impressionable? Or is it something safe and risk averse so as not to offend or err?


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Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: jazzyprof] #2856495
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Originally Posted by jazzyprof
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IMO the winner is clear. Shuan Hern Lee.


As far as "competition playing" goes you're probably right, although I find him a little bland. I'd be more interested in hearing Jiwon Yang or Benjamin Rossen in concert. Both are more interesting artists, and I don't think I've ever heard a better Norma than hers. It'll probably be Lee, Yang, and Gevorgyan in the finals.

You nailed the 3 finalists!

But I have a question: what do you mean by "competition playing"? Is it something showy designed to impress the jury? Is the jury that impressionable? Or is it something safe and risk averse so as not to offend or err?


Probably something that doesnt offend a jury

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/25/arts/can-a-pianist-sway-a-competition-jury.html


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Re: Anyone else following Cliburn Jr? [Re: AssociateX] #2856520
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AssociateX: Very interesting NYT article. I think Brendan was using the term "competition playing" as a bit of a pejorative. Personally I feel that if you're going to the trouble of entering a competition, you need to know what it takes to win...and if that happens to be "competition playing", by all means go for it! Lee certainly followed Rule 3 in the article: most of his pieces were of the fast and loud variety...though he achieved a satisfying serenity in the first half of his Chopin Nocturne op.48 #1.


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The audience certainly liked Shuan Hern Lee! I prefer Gevorgyan though grin

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Lol ! What a start from the horns.

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And the winner is...Shuan Hern Lee!
I'm really happy for him because a month ago we were all talking about him for the wrong reasons:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2846604/1.html
I'm glad he had the character to overcome that setback.


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