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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Did anyone manage to use the Smart Pianist App with the N1X?

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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Did anyone manage to use the Smart Pianist App with the N1X?

Yep.

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Cool setup! Would love to see a video tour of how you use it all... so much we could learn from it!


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Originally Posted by Tyr
So much stuff on the piano. I freak out if my wife puts anything onto it. laugh

In the photo, the only things on the piano are my Gizli on the music stand who watches me play, the iPad, music book, and my HD800 headphones. The other things in the photo (monitor, electronic gear) is either wall-mounted or on shelves which are themselves wall-mounted. I also do have a camera mounted on the left side arm of the piano (and there is one out-of-sight on the right side arm too) using a soft, padded mount that doesn't scratch or harm the finish on the piano, and those two plus the wall-mounted camera above that is out of view, are for my twice-a-week piano lessons.

Originally Posted by vara411
Cool setup! Would love to see a video tour of how you use it all... so much we could learn from it!

Ok. I haven't worked them out so they work optimally yet so I am not totally feeling good about everything. When I do have it all worked out in a week or two, I can give a video tour. For now, I'll just say that besides the headphones and iPad (and Gizli) whose use is obvious, the monitor is connected to a mini-PC running Win10Pro and Pianoteq. It also runs Zoom.us hooked up to the 3 cameras, which I use for my piano lessons, as well as Piano Marvel and SRF. The electronic gear to the upper right that is just out of view includes audio mixers, an external interface, the mini-PC itself, and some associated items.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Hi everyone!

I have a question for all N1X users regarding the sound quality.
Does the N1X sound good regardless of the volume level?

I’m asking this, because my current digital piano (YDP-163) doesn’t sound as good with low volume as it does with high. I don’t know if this is a problem of sound perception, but it’s not just that the volume gets lower, I feel that the quality (the feeling that it sounds like an acoustic piano) also gets worse.

In addition, most video reviews of the N1X are at full volume, so the piano might sound good because of it. So I would like to know if the acoustic-like sound of the N1X gets affected by the volume setting, and if so, how much noticeable is it?

Thanks in advance!

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Originally Posted by Haruki

In addition, most video reviews of the N1X are at full volume, so the piano might sound good because of it. So I would like to know if the acoustic-like sound of the N1X gets affected by the volume setting, and if so, how much noticeable is it?

I don't think the sound is worse at low volume. If you disable IAC (which increases the bass at low volume) it sounds very similar except that it just feels less like a real piano if it does not produce a similar volume.

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Originally Posted by Haruki

In addition, most video reviews of the N1X are at full volume, so the piano might sound good because of it. So I would like to know if the acoustic-like sound of the N1X gets affected by the volume setting, and if so, how much noticeable is it?

I don't think the sound is worse at low volume. If you disable IAC (which increases the bass at low volume) it sounds very similar except that it just feels less like a real piano if it does not produce a similar volume.




Thanks. Great to know! I wonder if other N1X users feel the same.

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^ Yes, I concur.


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What I noticed is that if you play other music through the N1X speakers (or other VST pianos) it sounds a bit thin/tinny. I guess reason is the way stereo signals are distributed over the 4 channels of the N1X speaker system. There is probably some room for optimization with better firmware, but I don't expect Yamaha to do that. Maybe it is also just personal sound preference.

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Originally Posted by nax
What I noticed is that if you play other music through the N1X speakers (or other VST pianos) it sounds a bit thin/tinny. I guess reason is the way stereo signals are distributed over the 4 channels of the N1X speaker system. There is probably some room for optimization with better firmware, but I don't expect Yamaha to do that. Maybe it is also just personal sound preference.

I did notice this. But I've used the speakers all of about 1 hour total since getting my N1X - the rest of the time with my headphones. If I cared more about speakers, I might try sending the CFX sound to my mini-PC and process it using a dedicated reverb app like EastWest Spaces II before sending the sound back to the N1X's speakers, to see if anything can be done to improve things there a bit, but as it is, it would get me a near zero return.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Tyrone, that hook down there is to hang your headphones on, please take them off the top ;-P


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My wife saw that picture. She called it a "hot mess".
Her usual utterance is "Clean it up ... or I'll clean it for you and you won't like it." smile

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Originally Posted by Chrispy
Tyrone, that hook down there is to hang your headphones on, please take them off the top ;-P


I need an aftermarket hook for the stand of the P-515. Does such a thing exist? I’m tired of putting the headphones on top and worrying I’m going to drop them on the keyboard.

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Look for the part number for the headphone hook of any console piano. Buy it from the manufacturers parts web site.
(Yamaha's site in the US is easy. Or just call them and they'll look for the part number.)
The hook attaches with a screw or two. Simple.

For my old Clav the part number is V8972600 for the "Headphone Hanger".

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
My wife saw that picture. She called it a "hot mess".
Her usual utterance is "Clean it up ... or I'll clean it for you and you won't like it." smile

Hey hey! I was just complaining to my piano teacher yesterday that I completely blame you (and two others that will remain unnamed) on this forum for my spending almost a day and a half re-cabling my computer and piano.

In fact, this saga is not over. I just hired a professional audio technician to pay me a "house call" tomorrow afternoon to re-cable everything again and configure everything on my PC!

The last straw for me was that this morning, I was following the advice on this thread from another member on why my recording level was so low, and now, as a result of whatever I did, I no longer have any sound whatsoever from my computer! Argh!!!!! mad I'm handing things over to a professional! crazy


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Over in this thread I posted about doing a penny test and estimated the touch weight of the N1X is 55 grams.


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There has been some discussion on key weight so I thought I'd perform a basic test on my N1X. I'm not a piano technician so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, but perhaps it will contribute to the discussion. I called it static weight (as in how much it takes to get the key moving from a static position), but I've seen it called touch weight and down weight so I'm not sure what the correct term is. I'll compare it with two Kawai acoustic pianos that I have access to when I get a chance.



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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Originally Posted by David B
There has been some discussion on key weight so I thought I'd perform a basic test on my N1X. I'm not a piano technician so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, but perhaps it will contribute to the discussion. I called it static weight (as in how much it takes to get the key moving from a static position), but I've seen it called touch weight and down weight so I'm not sure what the correct term is. I'll compare it with two Kawai acoustic pianos that I have access to when I get a chance.

I am thinking that if there is a difference that could be as much as 10g between two adjacent keys, this piano action might need regulation. Because it will be difficult to play evenly (w/ respect to dynamics). One of the things that is done during regulation is carefully measuring and adding counterweights to each key, for example. Can someone more knowledgeable about acoustical pianos comment? I'm going to ask about this on the Piano Technican forum.


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Putting friction aside, how would the weight of keys change unless gravity on earth changes? smile Or unless you have wood bugs eating the action? Or the metal weights in the keys evaporated? I guess it’s an interesting question that might generate good material for a sci-fi TV show smile

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I heard the weight must be placed 1 cm from the edge of the key (?)


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm going to ask about this on the Piano Technican forum.

Those interested in this question of a 10g difference between adjacent keys can follow and/or add to any discussion on this thread over here in the Piano Technician forum.

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Putting friction aside, how would the weight of keys change unless gravity on earth changes? smile Or unless you have wood bugs eating the action? Or the metal weights in the keys evaporated? I guess it’s an interesting question that might generate good material for a sci-fi TV show smile

Sounds like something to ask on my new PT thread that I started smile

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I heard the weight must be placed 1 cm from the edge of the key (?)

So it's possible that David B didn't measure each key in the official way, but he did measure the three his video consistently. The weight required to make the key go down would of course go up as you go back toward the pivot.


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