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Used FP7/RD300GX or new FP30 or something else
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Hi,

8-10 years ago I tried a couple of Yamaha, Roland, Kurzweil digital pianos. For my taste the FP7 has the best keyboard from all. Now I'm thinking on to by a used one or a new FP30. I read that the PHA II action was better than the new PHA IV Standard. Could someone tell me the difference or suggest a better than these?

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I've never tried an PHA-2 and can't say if it is better (but am skeptical of the claim). I do own a FP30 which I recently upgraded out of. From a keyboard action perspective, the FP30 has he best action among the entry-level digital pianos that I've tried (compared with ES110, P125, PX160).


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I've never tried an PHA-2 and can't say if it is better (but am skeptical of the claim). I do own a FP30 which I recently upgraded out of. From a keyboard action perspective, the FP30 has he best action among the entry-level digital pianos that I've tried (compared with ES110, P125, PX160).

PS I hated the sound of my FP-30



There you go Ty - fixed it for ya! smile

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I've never tried an PHA-2 and can't say if it is better (but am skeptical of the claim). I do own a FP30 which I recently upgraded out of. From a keyboard action perspective, the FP30 has he best action among the entry-level digital pianos that I've tried (compared with ES110, P125, PX160).

PS I hated the sound of my FP-30


There you go Ty - fixed it for ya! smile

Thanks for that! I forget that the newbies here might not know! grin


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I've never tried an PHA-2 and can't say if it is better (but am skeptical of the claim). I do own a FP30 which I recently upgraded out of. From a keyboard action perspective, the FP30 has he best action among the entry-level digital pianos that I've tried (compared with ES110, P125, PX160).

PS I hated the sound of my FP-30
There you go Ty - fixed it for ya! smile
Thanks for that! I forget that the newbies here might not know! grin

Also, since I've personally moved on from the FP30, I wonder if I shouldn't just let bygones be bygones? wink


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Also, since I've personally moved on from the FP30, I wonder if I shouldn't just let bygones be bygones? wink


You have a good point - best to let it go now...but as an ex-FP30 owner will miss that little addendum at the end of every FP30 thread. smile

Sorry - now back to topic...

Marchano - the FP7 is getting a little long in the tooth and if you find one I assume it will either be second hand or old stock..? If you want something better than the FP30 action then I do recommend the FP90 which has the PHA50 and I think it's a really good action (it's light yet not too light and combined with the modelled sound you get a very expressive response - assuming you like modelled sounds and even if you do not, you can always substitute the sound with VSTs - whereas the action is set for the lifetime of the digital piano you get).

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I own an FP-7, and I would not recommend it for the action, at least for classical playing it's pretty bad (and it's old so I'm sure it hasn't gotten better over the years). If you can swing it, I second the recommendation for the FP90. If that's out of your budget, test the FP30, but compare with Kawai ES110 and Casio PX-160.


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Thank you. I'll try the FP90 as well and then decide between and the FP30.

I just saw the price of the FP90. It's way out of the budget. Half of it is the maximum.

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It's personal preference, but I liked the FP7 action better than Roland's current actions.

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I owned a FP7 and years later owned an FP4. The FP4 an RD300GX have the same action, which I preferred greatly over the FP7, not to mention the savings in weight. I would pick the RD. At first I thought action was too light but once acclimated I thought it was best DP I every owned.

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Originally Posted by jamiecw
There you go Ty - fixed it for ya! smile


Oooh, can I play?

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
In my opinion, the FP30 has he best action among the entry-level digital pianos that I've tried (compared with ES110, P125, PX160).


Never hurts to apply a little subjectivity to one's thinking. wink

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by jamiecw
There you go Ty - fixed it for ya! smile


Oooh, can I play?

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
In my opinion, the FP30 has he best action among the entry-level digital pianos that I've tried (compared with ES110, P125, PX160).

Wait! But this is true! And I am an owner of two of the 4 of these (]beside the FP30, ES110 too that I'm keeping for the wife wink )


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I would get a Casio PX-S1000 or S3000. I don't really dig any of the current RDs or FPs. I did like my FP4 for several years. But the new models let me down. Roland changed the "Superior Grand" to the "Super Natural" sound and the action became cumbersome, imo. I get around much better on a Yamaha CP4 than the RD2000, the CP4 is my favorite of all the portable offerings including Nord, Roland, Kurzweil and Kawai. It's just too heavy for my back and lacks internal speakers for practice and acoustic piano volume gigs. Thus the best choice for me is the 25 pound Casio with a great action and good piano sound and internal speakers.


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rintincop, am I correct in thinking that you are also "Jazz+" on the Keyboard Corner forum?

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Originally Posted by Marchano
Hi,

8-10 years ago I tried a couple of Yamaha, Roland, Kurzweil digital pianos. For my taste the FP7 has the best keyboard from all. Now I'm thinking on to by a used one or a new FP30. I read that the PHA II action was better than the new PHA IV Standard. Could someone tell me the difference or suggest a better than these?


8-10 years ago is ancient technology in digital pianos.


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I wonder how many would consider an older Roland console, like a Hp 305/7? I remember being very impressed playing with those, and particularly the sound from (other) people's recordings. They seem to last a long while, like the early Yamaha Clavs. You'd pick up a used one for around the price of a new FP30.


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Originally Posted by rintincop
8-10 years ago is ancient technology in digital pianos.

But newer isn't always better. It sounds like you liked some 10 year old Roland piano sounds and actions better than their current ones. The 2010 Yamaha CP5 had an action I preferred to any of their newer slabs. I could give you other examples as well. Sometimes "improvements" are about getting the weight down and/or getting the cost down.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
But newer isn't always better.


Also, not all rubber contacts strips are made equal. And even the cheaper ones have a lot of engineering behind them to make them cheap and yet reliable. I suppose those used by Kawai, Roland, Yamaha etc. in their DPs are of better quality overall.


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