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Re: Roland LX700 Series Tone Settings [Re: tudor33sud] #2835101
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Originally Posted by tudor33sud
Also, one more thing to note related to software 1.04, I really seem to enjoy the new setting for Haptic Feedback very large. Previously I rarely felt the haptic feedback while playing, however with very large setting it seems better for me. You should try it as well.


Roland should have named the strongest haptic feedback setting "SuperNatural". wink

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Also, one more thing to note related to software 1.04, I really seem to enjoy the new setting for Haptic Feedback very large. Previously I rarely felt the haptic feedback while playing, however with very large setting it seems better for me. You should try it as well.


Roland should have named the strongest haptic feedback setting "SuperNatural". wink

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haha :)) nice one!


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Originally Posted by tudor33sud
Also, one more thing to note related to software 1.04, I really seem to enjoy the new setting for Haptic Feedback very large. Previously I rarely felt the haptic feedback while playing, however with very large setting it seems better for me. You should try it as well.


Sorry, bro, but I got 706 model. So no haptic feedback smile


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Re: Roland LX700 Series Tone Settings [Re: tudor33sud] #2835264
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Just a suggestion for the OP with his resonant C#4 which may help (I have a similar thing on the DP603. Instead of applying your tone settings to one of the stored defaults (if that is what you are doing) start by loading the custom Home tuning or one of the other custom tunings from the Piano Designer app because the individual note tuning, volume and character have all been carefully tailored to your speaker system.


Then do your overall sound edits like lid, cabinet resonance, soundboard etc and finally ambience and brilliance to taste for your room. That worked really well for me!


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Originally Posted by Robhatherton
Just a suggestion for the OP with his resonant C#4 which may help (I have a similar thing on the DP603. Instead of applying your tone settings to one of the stored defaults (if that is what you are doing) start by loading the custom Home tuning or one of the other custom tunings from the Piano Designer app because the individual note tuning, volume and character have all been carefully tailored to your speaker system.


Then do your overall sound edits like lid, cabinet resonance, soundboard etc and finally ambience and brilliance to taste for your room. That worked really well for me!

Hi Rob,

Thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately, as far as I know, for Roland LX700 series, there's no custom piano tone frown So I guess it would be a bad thing to try sounds designed for the previous sound engine. Apart from the C#4, I didn't change note character of any of the notes, so I could definitely just live with it. However, I won't mind if Roland reads your post and release a few tunings for Roland LX700 series laugh It would be nice to try them. Enjoy your DP603, since I really enjoyed as well my previous HP605.


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Re: Roland LX700 Series Tone Settings [Re: tudor33sud] #2835385
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Originally Posted by tudor33sud
Hello everyone,

I'd like to open a thread for owners of new Roland LX700 series pianos. I think this forum might be a nice starting point for people testing out various settings to get the perfect sound of Roland digital pianos.

Owning a HP605 before, I had the feeling that the default settings were just fine at the previous generation. However, on my LX708 I liked more to tweak the sound to get the most "accurate" sound to my ears. I especially like European Grand V2 ( it seems to have a wider dynamic range ) and I also played with the ambience settings. With the default settings, my personal oppinion is that the sounds tend to get blended in too much, and right hand seems not to have enough power to really sing along with the left hand.

I will share here my "perfect" configuration until now with the things I've changed apart from default settings.


  • recommended volume level: 41
  • piano type: European V2
  • ambience: Lounge
  • ambience depth: 8
  • touch sensivity: 49
  • lid: 5
  • duplex scale: +4
  • hammer sound: +1
  • soundboard: 5
  • tone character:C4# character changed to +2 from 0 ( I find the default C4# character to sound bad on speakers )


I find this setting to sound 90% similar to the tone of a concert Steinway from a video by Yann Tiersen, which I especially like. I'm waiting for other interesting configurations to try them out from other users smile

PS: link to the video mentioned above for you to make a comparison https://youtu.be/1LluM75bYf0?t=374




Why didn't you mention key-off resonance. I had piano lesson on acoustic upright today and set key-off resonance at 10 when came home, but then reduced it to 8. 10 creates too much feeling than as if on acoustic piano dampers do no work properly.


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Re: Roland LX700 Series Tone Settings [Re: tudor33sud] #2835514
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Hi Tudor

Yes, after your last post I looked at the app and there is only the initial setup which has all the values set to 0 or off: it must sound awful to start!

I expect they are taking their time creating custom tunings as they have done for the others. You could email the Roland support team and ask?


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I wonder what's the difference between settings "Lid", :Brilliance" and "Character". All of the make sound brighter when increased.


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Re: Roland LX700 Series Tone Settings [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2835698
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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
I wonder what's the difference between settings "Lid", :Brilliance" and "Character". All of the make sound brighter when increased.

I wonder if that is what raising the lid on an acoustical grand piano does? Make it sound brighter? Anyone know? (I have zero acoustical piano experience, whether grand or upright.)


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Re: Roland LX700 Series Tone Settings [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2835745
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I wonder what's the difference between settings "Lid", :Brilliance" and "Character". All of the make sound brighter when increased.

I wonder if that is what raising the lid on an acoustical grand piano does? Make it sound brighter? Anyone know? (I have zero acoustical piano experience, whether grand or upright.)


Well, I had baby-grand. As I remember, opening the lid just removed some "boxy sound" effect and also made sound louder. Well, I can be called "brighter" sound, I guess.


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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
I wonder what's the difference between settings "Lid", :Brilliance" and "Character". All of the make sound brighter when increased.

I think mostly brilliance and lid resemble, however tone character on individual notes I find it really different in a sense that you could really change the overall sound of the piano ( the attack of the note, how harsh / how equal it sounds ) so a little bit different from them.

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I wonder what's the difference between settings "Lid", :Brilliance" and "Character". All of the make sound brighter when increased.

I wonder if that is what raising the lid on an acoustical grand piano does? Make it sound brighter? Anyone know? (I have zero acoustical piano experience, whether grand or upright.)


Well, I had baby-grand. As I remember, opening the lid just removed some "boxy sound" effect and also made sound louder. Well, I can be called "brighter" sound, I guess.

I'm curious, could you please share your personal oppinion related to having a baby grand or an lx 708? I never had a chance of having even a baby grand in my house, and I was really hoping for one until getting my LX708. Since you had the experience, would you choose a baby grand or an lx 708?


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Re: Roland LX700 Series Tone Settings [Re: tudor33sud] #2835841
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Originally Posted by tudor33sud
Also, one more thing to note related to software 1.04, I really seem to enjoy the new setting for Haptic Feedback very large. Previously I rarely felt the haptic feedback while playing, however with very large setting it seems better for me. You should try it as well.


Did they have this setting prior to the update? I recall there being a heightened level for haptic feedback, but perhaps there are now more? Moreover, I can't seem to distinguish between EG1 and EG2. They sound too much alike for there to be any significant difference.

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Also, one more thing to note related to software 1.04, I really seem to enjoy the new setting for Haptic Feedback very large. Previously I rarely felt the haptic feedback while playing, however with very large setting it seems better for me. You should try it as well.


Did they have this setting prior to the update? I recall there being a heightened level for haptic feedback, but perhaps there are now more? Moreover, I can't seem to distinguish between EG1 and EG2. They sound too much alike for there to be any significant difference.

No, this is a new level added in 1.04.

EG2 > EG1 in my oppinion and the sound seems to me the more noticeable while playing through speakers. I find that the character is much more natural, and to be more widely opened in sound from the EG1 which sounds muffled and kinda boring.. This is my way of describing it, and during my research even in youtube videos many of the people out there are preferring european 2 instead of 1.

Funny thing though, it's rarely that you find someone to like the american grand.. for me it's just not playable or I don t know, something seems odd to me about the american grand(1 or 2) that I can't find a right piece to fit it smile


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Originally Posted by tudor33sud


I'm curious, could you please share your personal oppinion related to having a baby grand or an lx 708? I never had a chance of having even a baby grand in my house, and I was really hoping for one until getting my LX708. Since you had the experience, would you choose a baby grand or an lx 708?


I had old soviet baby-grand. Bought it for 1,200$. The price was too high, but I wanted so much to have "real grand".
Well, I think that my LX 706 sounds better when headphones are used. Through speakers it's not that good. But in all other thing - smooth new beatiful keys with pleasant touch etc. - it beats any old baby-grand. If course, I'd prefer new baby-grand of famous brand, but it costs 30 000$. As for all that 500 -1000$ garbage: no, thanks, I'd stay with my digital.
I'm of those who'd prefer driving digital Bugatti Veyron in Need For Speed computer game than grandma's rusty 40-years old Ford in real life.


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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
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Well, I think that my LX 706 sounds better when headphones are used. Through speakers it's not that good. But in all other thing - smooth new beautiful keys with pleasant touch etc. - it beats any old baby-grand. ...

Sort of good to hear the same experience as me and my LX 705. The sound on headphones is really good. But through speakers not so good (although yet to go above 40% level if that makes a difference). And again, everything else is just flat-out excellent.

I will get around to tweaking piano settings later, but would likely mess up the wonderful headphone sound if I could achieve a good speaker output. Oh well.. Maybe Roland will address this for us if possible in settings.

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Well, I think that my LX 706 sounds better when headphones are used. Through speakers it's not that good. But in all other thing - smooth new beautiful keys with pleasant touch etc. - it beats any old baby-grand. ...

Sort of good to hear the same experience as me and my LX 705. The sound on headphones is really good. But through speakers not so good (although yet to go above 40% level if that makes a difference). And again, everything else is just flat-out excellent.

I will get around to tweaking piano settings later, but would likely mess up the wonderful headphone sound if I could achieve a good speaker output. Oh well.. Maybe Roland will address this for us if possible in settings.

I strongly suggest you try the soundboard 5 and see how it goes. I really had issues with soundboard 1 like the sound was way too muffled and notes blending in too much. Headphones sound still good for me considering the changes as well. smile


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Sort of good to hear the same experience as me and my LX 705. The sound on headphones is really good. But through speakers not so good (although yet to go above 40% level if that makes a difference). And again, everything else is just flat-out excellent.

I will get around to tweaking piano settings later, but would likely mess up the wonderful headphone sound if I could achieve a good speaker output. Oh well.. Maybe Roland will address this for us if possible in settings.

I strongly suggest you try the soundboard 5 and see how it goes. I really had issues with soundboard 1 like the sound was way too muffled and notes blending in too much. Headphones sound still good for me considering the changes as well. smile

Thanks, yes. I will try this along with your other suggested settings soon.

Piano stands on a solid tiled floor, in a Hong Kong concrete flat!! So that would not help the acoustics and overall sound. Perhaps I should also try a carpet underneath the piano. smile

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Hello everyone,

Noticed that there's a Driver update: Ver.1.05 [May 2019]. Looks like adding new functions to LX705 only.

Has anyone seen the new review of the LX708 posted by Rudi of bettermusic.com.au a few days ago? I play right-hand melody arrangements of contemporary pop, Disney (popular request of my kids for them to belt along to) and West End/Broadway musicals plus jazz and classical. Took some ideas of the instrument pairings that Rudi highlighted in his new video.

Hope this brings some joy! I certainly enjoyed Rudi's infectious enthusiasm and musicality.

BTW, this isn't intended to start a discussion on the relative (de)merits of the LX sounds or comparison to other DPs. YMMV and all that.




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Hello everyone,

Noticed that there's a Driver update: Ver.1.05 [May 2019]. Looks like adding new functions to LX705 only.

Has anyone seen the new review of the LX708 posted by Rudi of bettermusic.com.au a few days ago? I play right-hand melody arrangements of contemporary pop, Disney (popular request of my kids for them to belt along to) and West End/Broadway musicals plus jazz and classical. Took some ideas of the instrument pairings that Rudi highlighted in his new video.

Hope this brings some joy! I certainly enjoyed Rudi's infectious enthusiasm and musicality.

BTW, this isn't intended to start a discussion on the relative (de)merits of the LX sounds or comparison to other DPs. YMMV and all that.



Thank you very much for reffering to this video! I personally love Rudi's reviews of pianos, he makes them all sound beautiful! Also I'm curious how is he recording the sound, since it seems to me it's probably better than recording it directly to USB with built-in recorder. Is there any chance someone could upload the same thing recorded via usb and via output for a comparison?

And BTW, I have a big curiosity. Does anyone actuall use American Grand at all in the new LX series? I find it to sound really bad, and I'm bumping the keys to hear the treble. It always seem to be covered by the bass, and just doesn't sound right. I'm curious if someone's actually enjoying it in any way. Thanks! smile


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Yes, I do use both American Grands for jazz pieces using one of the My Stage options. Without the My Stage options, the American Grands sound muffled to me until I adjust Ambience depth to 7 and Brilliance to between 6 and 8.

For music that my kids want to sing along to, I usually start off by layering one of the American Grands with another tone of their choice. They like trying out the different sounds on their own. They have so much fun that I don't want to detract from their enjoyment. So, even if their chosen combinations sound 'odd', I'll still accompany their singing. It is fast becoming another way we spend time together - it is lovely as they now ask me to play instead of heading to their playstation or the TV.

Apart from my kids' requests, the focus is on regaining technique as my fingers can't do what my brains says they could in the past! grin Every moment I get to sit down at the piano is invested in regaining technique. There is so much music that I am itching to play again! Once I'm happier with my technique - I suspect my focus will shift to tinkering with the Piano Designer options ....

Best regards and happy playing to all!


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