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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: RobR] #2853626
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Originally Posted by RobR
If you don't plan to use vsts and prefer an all-in-one machine for all your piano needs


The PC connection is not negotiable. Even if I buy a stand-alone DP, I am going to want to connect it to a PC sooner rather than later.

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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: CyberGene] #2853738
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Can the PX-S3000 be used as a controller?

It has USB to host connection, so you can control a computer with software. However it doesn't have MIDI out and you can't use it to control other keyboards. There are some elaborate schemes that would allow to connect the USB cable to a powered USB hub and then connect the other keyboard with a USB cable to the same hub and then also connect an intermediate USB host to the hub which will forward the data between the two devices (the keyboards). People have also used iPhone as an intermediate host.


Thanks for the info, Gene.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: Morten Olsson] #2854007
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Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
To me the action was way more than acceptable - I liked it more than any comparable DP price wise - it just felt really good. I’m not interested in pivot length or nuances of playing close to the board so your mileage will vary smile


I agree, the action on the PX-S3000 is far better than my StudioLogic SL88 STUDIO I bought last December. The SL88 is also noisy. In fact, I like it better than all of my keyboards except the Yamaha P515 which cost me close to $2K with the pedal and stand. I was wondering how I'd like the tectured surface. It's not over done and once your on it for a bit, other keyboards tend to feel less real. The key action is very clean and accurate with very little sideways movement. This is as good as I've seen it anywhere near this price range.

I use mainly tone #4 Studio Piano with the DSP setting set to compressor (wet level on 40). Also, bring up the dry level here to taste too. This works as parallel compression. This is where you have the combined compression with the original uneffected tone. The idea here is the compressor will bring up the low level nuance to the piano tone. This process helps bring up the subtle piano nuance to the tone and still have the some dynamic range since the dry signal was brought up a bit to pass through the compressor.







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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2854057
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I've played the S3000. It's got to be the best keyboard at that price range!

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: DaveLang] #2854297
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Originally Posted by DaveLang
[quote=Morten Olsson]To me the action was way more than acceptable - I liked it more than any comparable DP price wise - it just felt really good. I’m not interested in pivot length or nuances of playing close to the board so your mileage will vary smile


I agree, the action on the PX-S3000 is far better than my StudioLogic SL88 STUDIO I bought last December. The SL88 is also noisy. In fact, I like it better than all of my keyboards except the Yamaha P515 which cost me close to $2K with the pedal and stand. I was wondering how I'd like the tectured surface. It's not over done and once your on it for a bit, other keyboards tend to feel less real. The key action is very clean and accurate with very little sideways movement. This is as good as I've seen it anywhere near this price range.

I use mainly tone #4 Studio Piano with the DSP setting set to compressor (wet level on 40). Also, bring up the dry level here to taste too. This works as parallel compression. This is where you have the combined compression with the original uneffected tone. The idea here is the compressor will bring up the low level nuance to the piano tone. This process helps bring up the subtle piano nuance to the tone and still have the some dynamic range since the dry signal was brought up a bit to pass through the compressor.






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Please provide more of your setting details (attack, release, ratio). I'd like to enhance #4 (Stage Piano on my S3000) to get a more "full" tone similar to #1 (Grand Piano Concert) while avoiding some resonance problems I hear with the Concert Grand on particular notes when sustain is on.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2854455
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Here is a nice comparison videos for:
Casio PX-S 3000
Yamaha CP88
Korg Grandstage
Dexibel Vivo S7 Pro

If you are a good piano player, you can make the music sound amazing on all of these instruments!


Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: Martin Kulig] #2854469
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Originally Posted by Martin Kulig
If you are a good piano player, you can make the music sound amazing on all of these instruments!


What about the rest of us?!

Nice demos, BTW. The PX-S3000 definitely sounds nice. I don't know what everyone is complaining about.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2854496
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Kj85 I wanted to say that it is more important to focus on playing, improving techniques and getting a good feel for the music than focusing too much on the gear.
Sure there are differences between models but as long as you like it, you are good.
The moment you buy something, there will always be something better released but for now, I’m very happy with my PX-S3000 and it will be like that hopefully for the next couple of years.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: Martin Kulig] #2854529
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Originally Posted by Martin Kulig
Kj85 I wanted to say that it is more important to focus on playing, improving techniques and getting a good feel for the music than focusing too much on the gear.
Sure there are differences between models but as long as you like it, you are good.
The moment you buy something, there will always be something better released but for now, I’m very happy with my PX-S3000 and it will be like that hopefully for the next couple of years.

I'm partly onboard with kj85 and partly onboard with you. I agree with you that learning, practicing, playing, and improving is the true path. But I recently upgraded myself from a starter Roland FP30 to a Yamaha Avantgrand N1X, and I am finding myself playing it about twice as much as I played the FP30 before. There is just something about a nice piano that makes one want to play it more. So I'd agree with kj85 at least partly - for me having a nice piano that feels nice (action) and sounds nice, can lead one to the "playing, improving techniques and getting a good feel for the music" that you are recommending.


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: Martin Kulig] #2854555
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Originally Posted by Martin Kulig
Kj85 I wanted to say that it is more important to focus on playing, improving techniques and getting a good feel for the music than focusing too much on the gear.


While I said that in jest, there is a kernel of truth in there. There is a reason these companies get good musicians to show off their models, be it the entry level ones or the very high end. People listen to the wonderful playing and feel they can hope to be just as good. But it is really up to you: your ability, will and stamina. Professionals can make almost anything work, almost. The rest of us need some hand-holding.

And you are right about technique. I hurt my left wrist today playing the keyboard after a long time of using just the midi controller. While I complain about the controller a lot, it is semi-weighted and requires some effort to press the keys and keep it pressed; 55gms to get the keys moving and about 95gms to hit the bed. The keyboard, on the other hand, is unweighted and my weaker hand couldn't make the shift easily, I suppose.

I have heard about a lot of people injuring themselves when playing only the piano. So yes, key action, speed, position, technique; everything matters.

Originally Posted by Martin Kulig
The moment you buy something, there will always be something better released but for now, I’m very happy with my PX-S3000 and it will be like that hopefully for the next couple of years.

This is both bad and good. The '90s and early '00s were a very good time for computer enthusiasts. Doubling of CPU performance almost every two years. And then things suddenly came to a standstill with every generation only bringing in incremental upgrades.

I think DPs should improve to such an extent that everyone who wants one can have access to an affordable grand piano in a box.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: kj85] #2854574
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Originally Posted by kj85
This is both bad and good. The '90s and early '00s were a very good time for computer enthusiasts. Doubling of CPU performance almost every two years. And then things suddenly came to a standstill with every generation only bringing in incremental upgrades.

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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2854827
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Out of all the pianos in the comparison I think the Dexibell sounds the nicest followed by the Yamaha , the Casio can sound a lot better after you tweak it , and the Korg Grand Stage does not have a crisp clean sound ,maybe it could have been tweaked to sound better .

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: pianomike] #2854828
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I was underwhelmed by the sounds when i played Dexibell S9. Then i later i found that the unit i played did not have the Platinum sounds downloaded to it (Italian, German, American grand etc..). So i don't know how much my impression would change if those sounds were there.

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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2854849
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Rob , on my Dexibell S3 the Vivo Grand sounds okay but when I hit the switch to the Japanese platinum Grand it sounds a lot nicer . If you try you can get the Vivo grand to sound nicer also by turning up the hammer noise to 10 or 20, it cleans the sound up .

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: pianomike] #2854861
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Will ask the dealer to download them next time i take a trip. Thanks.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2854869
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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2854873
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I was amused by “a new proprietary key technology that allows each key to have a slightly different weight”... they just reinvented what Yamaha calls Linear Graded Hammer. I don’t think making a different weight for each key is very “proprietary”.


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: Frédéric L] #2854876
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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
I was amused by “a new proprietary key technology that allows each key to have a slightly different weight”... they just reinvented what Yamaha calls Linear Graded Hammer. I don’t think making a different weight for each key is very “proprietary”.

Haha, indeed laugh But as has been previously discussed AZPianos reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt to put it mildly smile


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: Frédéric L] #2854879
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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
I was amused by “a new proprietary key technology that allows each key to have a slightly different weight”... they just reinvented what Yamaha calls Linear Graded Hammer. I don’t think making a different weight for each key is very “proprietary”.


Or what Roland apparently does in all their models. (Individually weighted keys.)

Or was it so that in Casio PX-S they all have the same physical weight, but the software does the scaling/grading(?)

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
But as has been previously discussed AZPianos reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt to put it mildly smile


I see... you don’t trust what they have written “The #1 Most Trusted Digital Piano Review” smile

But you are surely in the right.


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