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This guy is Moscow Conservatory student. The girl's parents hired him for private lessons. He says that she plays terrible, uses abusive words and punches her. The guy is under arrest now.
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I haven't thrown the first punch for decades but I could make an exception for this mope.

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They should show this video at the prison he will be staying in, inmates like to give child abusers special treatment. His playing also is harsh and ugly which fits his personality.

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Originally Posted by Lostinidlewonder
They should show this video at the prison he will be staying in, inmates like to give child abusers special treatment. His playing also is harsh and ugly which fits his personality.


Probably his own teacher taught that way, I have talked to people who had Russian teachers that hit them. Not everyone has the patience to teach but it does not make them monsters. The poor guy just needs to rethink his career plans.

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They should show this video at the prison he will be staying in, inmates like to give child abusers special treatment. His playing also is harsh and ugly which fits his personality.


Probably his own teacher taught that way, I have talked to people who had Russian teachers that hit them. Not everyone has the patience to teach but it does not make them monsters. The poor guy just needs to rethink his career plans.

My wife's teacher did similar - not by hitting though. There was definitely psychological warfare waged in my wife's case along with some physical abuse of a different kind (mashing her finger tips into the keys to reminder her of the finger curvature, trying to slam the fallboard on her fingers, etc.)

I wonder though why her parent's hired him to come teach her? What happened to music schools? Or is it now considered more elite to hire private teachers who come to your home?

Glad the parents filmed their daughter's lessons and reported him!


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Originally Posted by Lostinidlewonder
They should show this video at the prison he will be staying in, inmates like to give child abusers special treatment. His playing also is harsh and ugly which fits his personality.


Many tyrants and dictators of the past adored beatiful music and arts. Human nature is qiute eclectic.

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I wonder though why her parent's hired him to come teach her? What happened to music schools? Or is it now considered more elite to hire private teachers who come to your home?

Glad the parents filmed their daughter's lessons and reported him!


Well, may be they wanted piano playing to be just a hobby for her.


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They should show this video at the prison he will be staying in, inmates like to give child abusers special treatment. His playing also is harsh and ugly which fits his personality.


Probably his own teacher taught that way, I have talked to people who had Russian teachers that hit them. Not everyone has the patience to teach but it does not make them monsters. The poor guy just needs to rethink his career plans.

I don't think this is a normal practice even in Russia given that he is under arrest. You are right not eveyrone has the patience to teach but if you abuse an innocent child like this you are a monster and if anyone disagrees well then I feel quite sorry for their sense of ethics.


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They should show this video at the prison he will be staying in, inmates like to give child abusers special treatment. His playing also is harsh and ugly which fits his personality.


Probably his own teacher taught that way, I have talked to people who had Russian teachers that hit them. Not everyone has the patience to teach but it does not make them monsters. The poor guy just needs to rethink his career plans.

I don't think this is a normal practice even in Russia given that he is under arrest. You are right not eveyrone has the patience to teach but if you abuse an innocent child like this you are a monster and if anyone disagrees well then I feel quite sorry for their sense of ethics.


Unfortunately, I saw some comments justifying this teacher, like "He really wanted to teach her. Some private teacher just took omey and do almost nothing, while this guy worried very much about results" etc. Terrible.


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Unfortunately, I saw some comments justifying this teacher, like "He really wanted to teach her. Some private teacher just took omey and do almost nothing, while this guy worried very much about results" etc. Terrible.

Then there are those instead of criticizing the teacher, criticize the parents for leaving their underaged daughter alone with a "sexually mature guy." Sure, but I'm more worried about the beating the daughter is getting right now from the teacher! Priorities!


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This makes me so sad. Unfortunately, it happens here too. I've had more than one adult student who was turned off from music for decades due to abusive music teachers in their youth.

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I couldn't get through the video - it's horrifying. My heart goes out to that little girl. I hope this guy gets a harsh sentence for his crime and never teaches anyone again!


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I couldn't get through the video - it's horrifying. My heart goes out to that little girl. I hope this guy gets a harsh sentence for his crime and never teaches anyone again!


That`s exactly how I feel about it...

plus: this guy looks like he can`t even count to three.

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I couldn't get through the video - it's horrifying. My heart goes out to that little girl. I hope this guy gets a harsh sentence for his crime and never teaches anyone again!


That`s exactly how I feel about it...

My wife thinks that he might be behaving this way because of how he himself was treated as he grew up and perhaps even what his piano teacher did to him. He's also from the Caucusus and might have been raised differently himself than other Russians.

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plus: this guy looks like he can`t even count to three.

My wife says that he mostly speaks with an educated register and in a reasonable and educated way but with a raised voice. He obviously sees himself in the educated class and therefore doesn't use expletives and a vulgar register. His hitting the young girl on the back of the head was actually somewhat common in Russia back in the 80's. For example, my wife said that her piano teacher and also her own mother would hit her on the back of the head when she was inattentive or disobedient. Today, we also know that this sort of thing with children can lead to brain injuries (concussions, contusions, etc) or worse, so it's beyond me how people at that time thought this was any sort of acceptable childrearing practice.

Again, this is not trying normalize such vile behavior. It was awful back in the 80's even if it had been accepted in some circles. Good that society as a whole moved on from that, which as pointed out above, is evidenced by him having been arrested - and this video evidence will be enough for him to be prosecuted and sentenced. If this sort of behavior was tolerated once, it is no longer.


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They should show this video at the prison he will be staying in, inmates like to give child abusers special treatment. His playing also is harsh and ugly which fits his personality.


Probably his own teacher taught that way, I have talked to people who had Russian teachers that hit them. Not everyone has the patience to teach but it does not make them monsters. The poor guy just needs to rethink his career plans.

I don't think this is a normal practice even in Russia given that he is under arrest. You are right not eveyrone has the patience to teach but if you abuse an innocent child like this you are a monster and if anyone disagrees well then I feel quite sorry for their sense of ethics.


Things change, it's not normal practice anymore in most western countries, but I am old enough to remember a time when punching kids was not considered abuse unless there was actual physical damage and if we go back a couple of more decades it was considered abuse not to raise your kids with proper dicipline (which those days meant physical punishment). So most of us have grandparents or parents that were monsters. And whatever ethics I have it does not include being part of a lynch mob...

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Originally Posted by outo

Things change, it's not normal practice anymore in most western countries, but I am old enough to remember a time when punching kids was not considered abuse unless there was actual physical damage and if we go back a couple of more decades it was considered abuse not to raise your kids with proper dicipline (which those days meant physical punishment)..


Yes. Culture tends to drive behavior more than we realize. I was in high school during the late 60s, and corporal punishment was not practiced in that state (Wisconsin) but it was in many (Texas, e.g.). Parochial schools did use physical punishment. The nun with a ruler was not a stereotype and the Lutheran schools in my town were pretty quick to hit also. Times have changed.

I could not play the tape of his playing but the still photos show horrible posture - that curved spine and hanging neck are recipes for a long and painful injury. For that alone he should not be allowed to teach.


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My wife thinks that he might be behaving this way because of how he himself was treated as he grew up and perhaps even what his piano teacher did to him. He's also from the Caucusus and might have been raised differently himself than other Russians.


There are surely reasons for his behaviour.

But as far as he is not a completely idiot (who indeed cant count to three), he should be able to question and control his impulses.
There is a huge difference between wanting to hit somone or actually doing it.

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My wife says that he mostly speaks with an educated register and in a reasonable and educated way but with a raised voice. He obviously sees himself in the educated class and therefore doesn't use expletives and a vulgar register. His hitting the young girl on the back of the head was actually somewhat common in Russia back in the 80's.


Oh lord...this guy was probalby born in the (late) 80ies, and even if he was beaten with a stick to play the piano (it looks a little bit like that) this wouldnt give him a free ride to tortur others.

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For example, my wife said that her piano teacher and also her own mother would hit her on the back of the head when she was inattentive or disobedient. Today, we also know that this sort of thing with children can lead to brain injuries (concussions, contusions, etc) or worse, so it's beyond me how people at that time thought this was any sort of acceptable childrearing practice.


I know. But times have changed and the "good hiding" from the year dot is not that good anymore... I would be surprised if he had never heard that before.

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Again, this is not trying normalize such vile behavior. It was awful back in the 80's even if it had been accepted in some circles. Good that society as a whole moved on from that, which as pointed out above, is evidenced by him having been arrested - and this video evidence will be enough for him to be prosecuted and sentenced. If this sort of behavior was tolerated once, it is no longer.


Yes, I totally agree with this!

And just to be clear, my words didn`t mean to offend you. I am just upset about cruelty and their justifications...

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I went to high school in Australia in the seventies. Due to my bad dyslexia I was considered to be a slow learner. At the end of my first year I came top of the basic maths group, but I got left in the basic group the following year when two other students were transferred up.

The following year I always finished my set work quickly and of course started chatting with my mate next to me. My teacher kept throwing me out of class and often to get the cain.

In winter he would delight in making you stand with your hands on the metal lockers. It was Sydney so never really cold but cold enough to make your hands more sensitive and then give me six of the best. I still came top of my year. I would not wish this on the most obnoxious of teenagers. I was just bored, not aggressive. I got transferred to the higher level the following year. I did physics at University with almost enough maths to get a second major in maths.

I don’t think this was exceptional for the time and I am glad we have mostly moved on. Let us hope it continues.

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I think back to the most frustrating lessons I've ever taught, and one I almost just got up and walked out. Another, I told her that she didn't practice as I told her and that's why she wasn't able to play the piece correctly. In the latter case, the student cried and realized she didn't like piano enough to work at it. In the former case, we figured out why he couldn't play the easiest pieces in the beginning of the primer level, and he's improved drastically.

As an adult, I recognize when my teachers were not good at what they did. I had my 4th grade teacher put my desk in a closet, and of course, no learning could happen. But I did not resort to how I was taught. I saw what that teacher did was wrong, and I certainly would not perpetuate it. This guy obviously didn't learn how to improve upon his own education.


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