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I found the contrast between treble and bass is greater in the U3 to the U1. Sauter130 the treble and the bass are very well balanced .The same with a 122 Sauter which I tried in Paris. That is what is nice about these pianos.Also the high to even very high treble notes last much longer after the note has been depressed (even without the sustaining pedal) than the Japanese pianos.All of this I found to be the same with the Bechstein K8 and the slightly shorter Bechstein (122) The bass is perhaps somewhat stronger in the U3 than the treble Is .This is based on my experience in trying a number of different brands before I bought my piano. Yes I am very able to play very softly on my piano.
Would love to try a Sauter but donâ€™t think thereâ€™s a dealer near the greater Toronto area?
Well, I've heard and played a couple of old console upright pianos that squealed pretty loud when played hard.
I also think that the laws of physics dictate that a larger piano with a larger soundboard can be produce more sound/volume as well. I also think there is a balance point between the loudness of big pianos and small pianos where bigger is not always louder, per-se, and smaller is not always softer, per-se; that balance-point usually has a lot to do with the quality of the piano in question and the hardness of the hammers.
Since acoustic piano have no volume control knob, there is no way to know for sure whether a certain piano will be too loud in a smaller room until you actually try it. There have been many posts here where a piano owner stated that their piano was too loud for the room. It (the loudness of a piano) can vary, depending on the piano.
Personally, I like loud, within reason.
So, "How does size of upright affect its loudness?" It depends on the piano, the room and the person playing the piano.
All the best!
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I had a new U1 in my piano room which I traded in full value towards the Sauter 130.So I am able to compare these two in the same room.I also had a Kawai grand (just less I think than 6 ft)This piano had lost a great deal of the brilliance in the upper treble. Because this thread is also about dynamic control I am talking about loud and soft.
When I was looking at pianos there was this U3 which was really very nice.I do not know if it was the sunshine after winter,but the tone was really lovely.A few days later though that piano was sold.
That's such a sad story!
I love the tone of a good U3. I have read many times they tend to be bright and everything, and Yamaha is such a standard brand name in the world of piano's that it almost feels like you should buy something else. But i went to a piano dealer a few weeks ago, just to play some different piano's. And i came to the conclusion that nothing in the same priceclass i played there sounded as good or better than my own U3. It was a good drive home.
There was a very nice boston upright, but it was 3 times the price of my U3.
Here's also a very nice sounding U3
How much should i expect to pay for a good sounding u3 , like yours? ( used or new?)
I don't think size is everything. Sometimes it's the tone that contribute to the perceived loudness.
I didn't notice much difference in volume when comparing U1 and U3 in the same showroom. Possibly it was from the way they were voiced. It seems most pianos around my place are voiced to be bright and projecting (signature Yamaha tone?), so that they can be heard better in noisy showroom.
Then I found a U3 that can be played more softly and more mellow than other U3s but still retain power when go for forte. The technician said he voiced it down for a teacher who was brining a student over to choose/buy. (They didn't pick it though).
I don't think 52" would be too loud for a normal sized living room. They are things you could do to dampen the volume to a degree. But annoying tone could be an issue. If you or people around you hate the tone, no matter how loud, it is a potential problem.
When I say German uprights I would say most people here would know which ones I mean. I should not compaire certain upright's to grand pianos I agree they are 2 very different types of pianos and not really comparable So I am sorry if I offended anyone. All the instruments mentioned here are all very good instruments but I think we all know that. There are ways to make the sound softer with a piano where one could annoy neighbours.A carpet ,an accoustic board or blanket behind an upright,furniture ,drapes and perhaps voicing a piano more mellow because a brighter sound seems to carry more. The U1 and the U3 are very expressive instruments and my old U1 lasted for many years as did my old grand piano.
U3piano, I enjoyed listening to your piano.,Yes it sounds as though you got a good one! Is that you playing ?
That's not my U3, and i wish i could play that song that well! It's just a video i found on youtube that i liked. I posted it to show people how good U3's can sound. Here's another one, with better sound quality, also a lovely sounding U3:
Ill record mine when i figure out how to properly do so. I would love to try a bigger sauter, i think i played a small one at a dealer once, but i don't remember to well.
Originally Posted by Jitin
How much should i expect to pay for a good sounding u3 , like yours? ( used or new?)
Again, that's not my piano in the video, but i think you should be able to get a good U3 from the 80's in the 3000-4000 (eur) range. A younger one would cost more, new they are above 10.000 i believe. But if you get it checked by a technician, an older one is fine.
It's best not to take too much notice of a recording of a piano. If they're done to help them sell it - you have no idea what recording equipment has been used, and how much editing occurred before posting. Nor do we know what the environment it was in - a padded cell or a very active resonant hall. A mellow recording could have been quite strident at the point of recording and "adjusted" to suit.
There was a thread recently of a BlÃ¼thner Concert Grand with Benjamin Grosvener playing - which, I think turned out to be a Steinway recording, but with the Bluthner as the filmed piano.
Before doing too much, I'd get a good technician to regulate and voice the piano - make sure they're aware of what you are wanting.
With upright pianos, the regulation is often ignored, as is voicing, but it is possible and can make a significant difference - as well as to your enjoyment.
But - size doesn't equate to "noise". My 7'4" Grotrian can be played softer than my 6' Schimmel ever could - or my YAMAHA UX (U3 size). [It can also play louder, but that is another matter!!]
I think noise is one thing, the ability of both pianist and a good 130 sized piano to produce a good FF tone which full and round is quite easy.A hard sounding FF tone (or louder)is unpleasant ! A good upright can also easily play very softly if it is well regulated. I feel I am able to play PPP on my piano in a Chopin Nocturne (Op 9no1 in b flat minor )Of course it is difficult to accurately measure dynamics.Performance grade pianos are able to do this but on a U3 you can get a good dynamic range as well. Again I am not comparing this to a grand piano .
I bought a 1981 U3... U3H... last year as I got into my second year of piano lessons. Originally I too thought that a full sized upright would be too loud and booming for my modest sized lounge room, but this particular U3 had a more mellow and pleasing sound than the U1 and other ( secondhand) pianos I tried. It had been fitted with a new set of hammers... not sure how relevant that is. So what I learned from that is just to try them out....
Perhaps a Kawai upright would suit the op more since it is said to be darker and more mellow in tone?
Maybe...a Kawai K300 or 500 is also in consideration. I just used the U3 as an example, because everyone is familiar with it. Itâ€™s not the only model that Iâ€™m considering, although theyâ€™re probably in the price range Iâ€™m aiming for, as a first piano. Younger used, or new, Iâ€™m still open to either option at the moment. I just started my research recently. I suspect it will take me a few months to decide.
Iâ€™m also wanting to get something that will be easy to sell, should things go sideways with my neighbours.