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Re: Holly's Practice Diary [Re: PianoStudent88] #2851730 05/24/19 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
Tech-key and pianoloverus, this x7 idea may not work for you, but there are some people for whom it works amazingly well. For the people it works for, I think it’s fine for us to use it. Maybe over time we will find times we want to be flexible with it, but right now it provides a structure for us that produces great results.

ETA: IIRC from someone who is a member of both PW and PS and who communicated with Bernhard at the time I was first using this method, Bernhard says this is to be applied flexibly. I still think that even if Holly and I are applying it more strictly than Bernhard envisioned, that as long as we’re getting good results it’s fine to use it the way we’re using it.

Of course, its completely fine to do what works for you. I was only speaking for myself. Everyone practices a bit differently, and tries out new ideas every now and then. Varying the practice routine slightly can also help, when things feel a bit monotonous. At least it does for me smile


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Re: Holly's Practice Diary [Re: PianoStudent88] #2851809 05/24/19 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
Tech-key and pianoloverus, this x7 idea may not work for you, but there are some people for whom it works amazingly well. For the people it works for, I think it’s fine for us to use it. Maybe over time we will find times we want to be flexible with it, but right now it provides a structure for us that produces great results.
Something formulaic can provide structure but does not require much thinking. Virtually no good advanced pianists practice this way but I suppose it makes sense for some beginners.

Even if it "works" for someone that does not mean another approach might not work better. Such fromulaic approaches beg questions like "Why 7 and not 8?"

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Re: Holly's Practice Diary [Re: HollyBytheLake] #2851813 05/24/19 01:16 PM
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Bottom line ….. Anything that keeps you playing is "working".

I have the complete opposite of a formula for practicing …

I work on whatever I feel like for as long as I feel it is useful.

I have no amount of time set aside to practice and I might not practice at all or for hours on any given day.

As a result my progress is slow …. but I am still in the game.

Therefore, my "method" is working.




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Re: Holly's Practice Diary [Re: HollyBytheLake] #2851866 05/24/19 04:02 PM
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Well, at least I got your attention...

I've just gotten a chance to catch up and thanks to everyone's comments and additions. I remember reading the Bernhard thing months ago, but it was a more recent mention somewhere else that got me going on it this time.

Also, regarding flexibility...

When I sit down to practice I've made a plan FOR THAT DAY. If anyone has read my very first post, you'll know I can do some serious plans and they have changed over the months.

Currently a day's practice plan might look something like this...

Ear: Do 1 set intervals, 1 set chords, try for better than 19/20

Theory: 1 page each Snell and Faber

Sight reading: 15 min. Timer; start Faber for upcoming lesson pieces, Bach Scholar, then Small
each only 3 times - remember to try for top note of chord and shape to identify

Technique: (10 minutes each)
Scales (A/Am) RCM for Am 2 octave, triads, broken chords
Brown book for A Maj. 2 octaves, triads, chords
Bach for contrary motion
finish w. each four octaves SLOWLY; no errors

Exercise: Czerny Vol. 445 # 16 (a two line exercise) do 2x7 then try for 3 times each line no errors

Etude: Swinging Leprechaun (4 lines) - 3rd line, do Seven Levels of heck WITH SWINGS!!, then whole piece 50% tempox3 WITH AWESOME SWINGS!


Repertoire/Lessons:
Chocolate Eater Blues - Each of 6 sections 7 Levels of heck, Repeat Section C get the swings to feel natural.

Cranky Cat: Section A 50bpm>80bpm; Section B 50 > 72; Section C 40>60

Unit 6 Tech piece: Work tempo as needed

So next week I might shift everything around depending on what each piece needs and there will be at least 2 new pieces that will have a 19 level check list to get to 50% in a day or two and I might take a day to just write down the name of the piece and whatever it came to mind to do that day cause I just wanted to free-form it that day.

A reminder of the changing nature of this blog/thread: The last few entries have been for the most part ESSAYS on piano practice. Only that. Each one is a microcosm look at ONE DETAIL of a practice regimen that is ever changing. I just want to look back at them someday and know where I was and what was important or noteworthy at a point in time. Remember it's all about:

Happy Practicing Everyone!


but think how good I could be in five years...
Re: Holly's Practice Diary [Re: HollyBytheLake] #2851925 05/24/19 08:00 PM
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Holly, I enjoy reading your posts.


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Re: Holly's Practice Diary [Re: Animisha] #2852587 05/27/19 02:07 AM
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I am sorry Holly, off topic! But...

Originally Posted by Animisha
Originally Posted by Bernhard on pianostreet
So make sure that your last repeat is always perfect: this is what will be ingrained in your brain.

I don't know if this is true though. Maybe. Maybe not.


I found out this morning. Yesterday I made sure that my last repeats were perfect, all of them. This morning, there was not so much ingrained in my brain. I messed up several times - not worse than usual, but just as I often do, when I start practising.


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Re: Holly's Practice Diary [Re: HollyBytheLake] #2852655 05/27/19 08:25 AM
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PianoStudent 88, thank you so much!

Animisha - I agree a singular correct playing isn't going to ingrain much of anything. Sometimes I try, sometimes I'm so mentally spent I can't be bothered. I do notice, however, ending on a correct playing gives me a better feeling about practice than when I don't. Perhaps more likely to return to the bench enthused?

For all of us:
As with all advice in any field, best to treat it like a buffet, take what you want and ignore the rest.


but think how good I could be in five years...
Re: Holly's Practice Diary [Re: HollyBytheLake] #2858052 06/13/19 06:32 AM
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Just a note to say I haven't bee run off, just swamped with work. Barely getting 5 hours, if that, a week and certainly no time to think through something to write. Hope everyone's spring is winding up nicely,

happy practicing everyone,
Holly


but think how good I could be in five years...
Re: Holly's Practice Diary [Re: HollyBytheLake] #2859176 06/16/19 12:38 PM
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Hi Holly! Five hours a week when you are swamped with work is quite an accomplishment. Most adult learners would be fully satisfied with that - and they don't write diaries on forums either. smile
I hope your next week is less flooded!


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