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Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 #2851748
05/24/19 10:30 AM
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Very conflicted stage piano buyer here....hi,
So I am selling my trusty Kawai MP7, mainly due to not ever finding that piano sound that I'm like: "ooh that's the one". I just never clicked with any of the patches (the EP's were great though!)
My concerns with Nord seems to be action related, as I love their AP's and can probably find one I like, but don't have the opportunity to play one (I played a Stage 3 HA last night...it was difficult...seemed like a very light action and almost pretty cheap at times). Do any of you have the Electro with the HP or the Piano and can chime in on the action? I'm a more heavy/banging (sorry) kind of player, but play mostly AP & EP so those two are the priorities in terms of sound. Ive heard VERY mixed things about the HP, whereas the new HA on the Piano 3 & 4 seem to be pretty good. To me, Nord has the most realistic piano sounds on the market (aside from VST...which I don't like using), which is a huge draw. Their pianos to me just have so much character! Their EP's from what I've heard aren't AS good as what I've heard on the Yamaha, but I haven't heard much of their EP's so I'm not gonna put that against them.
With the Yamaha, I'm really attracted to the design and layout, but most recordings I've heard of it are not as inspiring as Nord's samples. Idk but to me the Yamaha Acoustic Pianos (from a pure listening perspective) sounds like you're playing a keyboard whereas the Nord sounds like you're at a piano, which I like. I know the Yamaha features a "Tone" knob so that could change things, but alas I am not able to play one, as there's none where I live. I believe the action though to be better on the Yamaha's from reading online. Another good for Yamaha is I think they did a good job on sampling their EP's, though their sub sounds I've heard aren't the best (but not bad when listening to them)
So you see my dilemma? Anyone care to chime in on this? Trying to make a purchase fairly quickly (in need of new board).
I've thought about purchasing one product (maybe the electro?) and then see how I like it, if I don't then can return it and cross it off my list and look at the others.
Anyone have any thoughts?

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Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: lsal1] #2851827
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I own the Yamaha CP-4, and Nord Electro 5HP and as far as action goes, Yamaha is MUCH better. The Nord HP touch is spongy (IMO), while the Yamaha is as good as anything I've played.
I played the Yamaha CP-88 and the action was every bit as good as the CP-4.
If you need good organ sounds, go with the Nord, the organ section on the Yamaha is NOT good!

Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: pauleway] #2851843
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Originally Posted by pauleway
I own the Yamaha CP-4, and Nord Electro 5HP and as far as action goes, Yamaha is MUCH better. The Nord HP touch is spongy (IMO), while the Yamaha is as good as anything I've played.
I played the Yamaha CP-88 and the action was every bit as good as the CP-4.
If you need good organ sounds, go with the Nord, the organ section on the Yamaha is NOT good!


I know I would most likely prefer the action of the Yamaha's, but I also find the pianos from them un-inspiring. But I won't know unless I play one, which I can't do (none in my area)

Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: lsal1] #2852196
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What genre do you play. Classical? Jazz? Rock? Alone or with a group? I owned a Stage 3HA for a month and returned it. I loved it alone at home, but when I went to play jazz in a small group or big band jazz and rock, I couldn’t deal with the pianos. Organs are great, but my main thing was piano, so I returned to my trusty CP4 and took a hit on round-trip shipping to the seller to get out of the Nord.


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Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: lsal1] #2852523
05/26/19 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lsal1
Anyone have any thoughts?


Nord Grand?

Clavia's hand's on interface and extensive sound library + Kawai keyboard action.

Kind regards,
James
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Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: lsal1] #2852804
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I agree. I liked the action on the Yamaha CP88 better than the Nord Piano 4 having tried them both at the store. If I hadn't looked at the sticker price or muted the PA, I would've thought that the NP4 was some kind of a cheapo keyboard. The moment I touched the keys I hated it, but I really liked their piano sound which could be a deciding factor for you.
I also liked the CP88's ergonomics and design. There's something about those aircraft cockpit-style switches that's very inviting to use rather than the NP's all-button approach. Then again, this is subjective.
If your store has a good return policy why not go for it. See if you're able to adapt to NP4's key action.


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Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: Kawai James] #2852829
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by lsal1
Anyone have any thoughts?


Nord Grand?

Clavia's hand's on interface and extensive sound library + Kawai keyboard action.

Kind regards,
James
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Would love to, though I think that's a tad out of my price range...

James, it was you who helped me several years ago choosing the MP7, and I'm super thankful. Love Kawai's action, but to me I'm being drawn more to Nord's samples & design.

Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: rio197] #2852831
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Originally Posted by rio197
I agree. I liked the action on the Yamaha CP88 better than the Nord Piano 4 having tried them both at the store. If I hadn't looked at the sticker price or muted the PA, I would've thought that the NP4 was some kind of a cheapo keyboard. The moment I touched the keys I hated it, but I really liked their piano sound which could be a deciding factor for you.
I also liked the CP88's ergonomics and design. There's something about those aircraft cockpit-style switches that's very inviting to use rather than the NP's all-button approach. Then again, this is subjective.
If your store has a good return policy why not go for it. See if you're able to adapt to NP4's key action.


Very interesting, I ordered a NP4 and it should arrive this week. The one thing I'm worried about is the action, as I'm used to uprights and the Kawai action.
I am really drawn to the design of the Yamaha as well as Nord, but for me The Nord sounds worlds better to my ear

Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: lsal1] #2852883
05/27/19 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lsal1
James, it was you who helped me several years ago choosing the MP7, and I'm super thankful.


Yes, I remember. I hope this instrument has served you well, even if you have decided to part with it.

Originally Posted by lsal1
Love Kawai's action, but to me I'm being drawn more to Nord's samples & design.


As a Nord owner, I agree that the Nord sample library and overall interface design is excellent.
Pairing the Nord with a Kawai action (MP8II at home, in my case), is an excellent combination, which is perhaps why so many folks are looking forward to the Nord Grand.

Best of luck with the NP4 - hopefully you don't find the Fatar action too much of a step-down in quality.

Kind regards,
James
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Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: Kawai James] #2852895
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by lsal1
James, it was you who helped me several years ago choosing the MP7, and I'm super thankful.


Yes, I remember. I hope this instrument has served you well, even if you have decided to part with it.

Yes it has! Superb action and EP’s, but it was pretty heavy (i know the NP4 isn’t that much lighter) and for me i like the Nord pianos more.

Originally Posted by lsal1
Love Kawai's action, but to me I'm being drawn more to Nord's samples & design.


As a Nord owner, I agree that the Nord sample library and overall interface design is excellent.
Pairing the Nord with a Kawai action (MP8II at home, in my case), is an excellent combination, which is perhaps why so many folks are looking forward to the Nord Grand.

Best of luck with the NP4 - hopefully you don't find the Fatar action too much of a step-down in quality.

Kind regards,
James
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That’s the only thing I’m worried about with the NP4, the action. I’ve heard so many mixed reviews on it, but am wondering on its comparison with Kawais!

Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: lsal1] #2852899
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Hi Isal1, I replied to you over at the Nord forum where you made the same post. Repeating here in case anyone is interested?

AP actions are intensely personal. What works for one person may not work for another. That being said, I enjoy the action on the NP4 and don't find it a limitation in the least. I currently have two other AP actions in my world -- a Yamaha AG N3 and a Bosie 200 -- so I think I know what a great action should feel like.

I will not claim that the NP4 action is the best digital slab action out there. But it's good enough that I don't notice it, and the rest of the Nord package seals the deal for me. That being said, I do have my eye on the new Nord Grand with the Kawai action.

It's sort of like comparing two cars where one has 10 more horsepower than the other. Nice, but -- what about the rest of the car?


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Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: Kawai James] #2853098
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
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Pairing the Nord with a Kawai action (MP8II at home, in my case), is an excellent combination, which is perhaps why so many folks are looking forward to the Nord Grand.

Best of luck with the NP4 - hopefully you don't find the Fatar action too much of a step-down in quality.

Kind regards,
James
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I use an acoustic Kawai upright once a week starting 6 months ago. I think that's why I find the NP4's action to be mushy by comparison. But don't let that stop anyone from trying the NP4 on their own.

(EDITED) pairing the NP4 to your preferred DP for the action sounds like a good idea for the home or studio.

Last edited by rio197; 05/28/19 11:26 AM.

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Re: Nord Electro 6HP/Piano 4 HA vs Yamaha CP 73/88 [Re: lsal1] #2864087
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Not the HP model, but FWIW Guitar Center is offering 15% off the Nord Electro 61 or 73 key models through July 4. Coupon code at checkout is july4.


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