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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: LarryK] #2850687
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Yikes.... that is really odd...... no home circuit is over 20 amps.... goofy. Who would design equipment that technically can't be plugged into a home circuit? Again, these peak ratings are very conservative and should never occur. BTW, I learned all of this stuff years ago configuring data centers.

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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2850690
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Update... these posts shamed me.... I just purchased another Tripp Lite LC2400 from ebay... new unopened... $172 with shipping. I will use this on my keyboard/amp/computer/mixer/et al rig. I don;t expect sound improvements... just protection.

I live in a heavily wooded area and I loose power probably once a month from fallen trees. And, I know I have power fluctuations because the Tripp Lites make a clicking noise as the relays adjust voltage... I can hear this clicking probably once or twice a week. So... I did this simply for protection.

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@BiP: With such high power usage ... you might get a visit from the sheriff ... on suspicion of operating a grow house! smile

Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2850698
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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
Yikes.... that is really odd...... no home circuit is over 20 amps.... goofy. Who would design equipment that technically can't be plugged into a home circuit? Again, these peak ratings are very conservative and should never occur. BTW, I learned all of this stuff years ago configuring data centers.

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The manual states that, at a minimum, a 20A circuit is required. I suppose it can be plugged into a a bigger circuit, I don’t know, 220v/30a? Maybe I can arc weld with the amp.

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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2850704
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Arc weld!! Funny you should say this... you probably are near my age.... way back when these monster amps started to become popular.... I think Krell was one of the first popular units, then Mark Levinson... I remember some reviewer actually tried to arc weld with it. Launched a huge spark!!!! I think this was back in the late 80s IIRC.

My old VTL 300 Deluxe amps had the biggest capacitors I have ever seen on an amp. Each monoblock had two monster caps the size of drinking glasses. I suspect it could have killed a person.

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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2850705
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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
Arc weld!! Funny you should say this... you probably are near my age.... way back when these monster amps started to become popular.... I think Krell was one of the first popular units, then Mark Levinson... I remember some reviewer actually tried to arc weld with it. Launched a huge spark!!!! I think this was back in the late 80s IIRC.

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My father had an arc welder and he had a circuit put in the garage for it. I think I might remember that story about someone trying to arc weld with an amplifier. I’m not twenty five years old anymore, lol, we probably are close in age. Some of the people on this thread must be pretty young if they’ve never heard or seen a Class A amp. If you can pick up the amp, it is not Class A.


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Here is a picture of the internals of my amp.

Look at the size of the capacitors!

[img]https://imgur.com/a/CSdlqMX[/img]


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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: LarryK] #2850724
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Here is a picture of the internals of my amp.
Look at the size of the capacitors!

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Sexy!

Don't try to rewire a rented apartment in Germany. If anything happens and you don't have consent or are a certified electrician... you're liable and I doubt any insurance would cover that. laugh

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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: Granyala] #2850730
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Originally Posted by Granyala
Don't try to rewire a rented apartment in Germany.

Or try plumbing in an apartment in NYC.

I had a slow draining shower. Fortunately I called the University to fix it rather than DIY. The University plumber just pushed the clog down a few feet. Next morning downstairs apartment was destroyed and several more below flooded.

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Here is a picture of the internals of my amp.
Look at the size of the capacitors!

[Linked Image]

Sexy!

Don't try to rewire a rented apartment in Germany. If anything happens and you don't have consent or are a certified electrician... you're liable and I doubt any insurance would cover that. laugh



I moved out of a rental apartment, where I ran my old 90w Class A Sumo Gold for eight years. It might have been on a 15a circuit, I don’t remember. The wires in the walls were from the 1930s and all the insulation was crumbling and falling off. The panel was fairly new, though.

I own this apartment but I still had to get permission from the cooperative board for the work to be done. There really is no reason for them to refuse, I was paying, and the apartment gets an upgrade. I don’t want to think about how many apartments in the building are still using the old panels from the 1950s.

I lived in an apartment in Stuttgart for a while and I am somewhat aware of all the rules in Germany. I got in trouble for not sweeping five flights of stairs and the courtyard every day for a week when I found a drawing of a broom hung off my door one day. I believe the term is “kehrwoche.” Nobody would say a word to me so I guessed that the sign meant I had to sweep my floor and move the card to the next door knob. In the end, they gave me a pass because I was a stupid American, lol.

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Don't try to rewire a rented apartment in Germany.

Or try plumbing in an apartment in NYC.

I had a slow draining shower. Fortunately I called the University to fix it rather than DIY. The University plumber just pushed the clog down a few feet. Next morning downstairs apartment was destroyed and several more below flooded.



If you live in New York, you become good friends with you superintendent, your super. The old New York joke is that if you don’t tip your super at Christmas, they’ll find you dead in the alley. The super is the institutional memory of a building. He knows what repairs have been done, where the plumbing is dodgy, and what work can and cannot be done.

My building guys are so wonderful that they helped me move my amp out and will help me move it back in. Yes, I tip for that. Money is a hammer which can be used to flatten many problems.

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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2850739
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Germany: I wired a bunch of switches and lighting in my buddy's new apartment in Mitte Berlin.... a new building put up where a bomb had dropped... he moved in not long after the wall came down. I had no clue of either the laws nor German wiring. Funniest stories are me in a Berlin hardware store trying to communicate wiring components with a non-english speaking helper. Funny as heck. I got it all to work and no fires.

New York.... when I looked at my apt, I asked the super "how is the hot water?".... a question only a New Yorker understands.... he said (another Irish guy). "It all depends on how you treat me at Christmas".

True stories.

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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
Germany: I wired a bunch of switches and lighting in my buddy's new apartment in Mitte Berlin.... a new building put up where a bomb had dropped... he moved in not long after the wall came down. I had no clue of either the laws nor German wiring. Funniest stories are me in a Berlin hardware store trying to communicate wiring components with a non-english speaking helper. Funny as heck. I got it all to work and no fires.

New York.... when I looked at my apt, I asked the super "how is the hot water?".... a question only a New Yorker understands.... he said (another Irish guy). "It all depends on how you treat me at Christmas".

True stories.

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LOL. I could make tea with my hot water, it is blisteringly hot. I yell at friends to watch the hot water when they go to the bathroom but I still hear screams.

My old rental was owned by an Irish guy, a plumbing contractor, who passed away before I moved in. His widow did dodgy work, repairing the leaks with electrical tape. She had learned nothing from her husband. She was British, he was Irish, always a good combination.

When we signed the lease on the last apartment, I told my wife, this will be fine, the old lady lives in the building, we’ll have plenty of heat. Idiot me. The old lady would sneak down into the basement at 2am to shut off the boiler in order to try to save fuel. We’d wake up freezing. We learned that a state of open warfare had existed between the tenants and the landlord, for years.

I’ll never rent again. I get respect as an owner, the repairs are done right, and we all take pride in having a beautiful building. Plus, maintenance charges are per square foot so they’re more fair than the wacky rent laws in New York which often cause buildings to fall into a state of disrepair.



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Originally Posted by LarryK
The wires in the walls were from the 1930s and all the insulation was crumbling and falling off.
I don’t want to think about how many apartments in the building are still using the old panels from the 1950s.

I lived in an apartment in Stuttgart for a while and I am somewhat aware of all the rules in Germany. I got in trouble for not sweeping five flights of stairs and the courtyard every day for a week when I found a drawing of a broom hung off my door one day. I believe the term is “kehrwoche.” Nobody would say a word to me so I guessed that the sign meant I had to sweep my floor and move the card to the next door knob. In the end, they gave me a pass because I was a stupid American, lol.

Damn all that ancient wiring is terrifying. I wouldn't dare to hang a 1-2KW device to those either. shocked

Haha, yeah germans are often like that. I didn't bother to do my stairs 80% of the time because if it looks clean, it is clean. Eventually they got the hint and hired a firm to do the menial labor. I rather pay than inhale all that crap. laugh


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The wires in the walls were from the 1930s and all the insulation was crumbling and falling off.
I don’t want to think about how many apartments in the building are still using the old panels from the 1950s.

I lived in an apartment in Stuttgart for a while and I am somewhat aware of all the rules in Germany. I got in trouble for not sweeping five flights of stairs and the courtyard every day for a week when I found a drawing of a broom hung off my door one day. I believe the term is “kehrwoche.” Nobody would say a word to me so I guessed that the sign meant I had to sweep my floor and move the card to the next door knob. In the end, they gave me a pass because I was a stupid American, lol.

Damn all that ancient wiring is terrifying. I wouldn't dare to hang a 1-2KW device to those either. shocked

Haha, yeah germans are often like that. I didn't bother to do my stairs 80% of the time because if it looks clean, it is clean. Eventually they got the hint and hired a firm to do the menial labor. I rather pay than inhale all that crap. laugh


The Gryphon is hung off of new wire and the wire in the chase is fairly recent, due to a fire in an apartment on a lower floor.

In the old building, every once in a while, people would be running around trying to figure out where the smell of burning wire was coming from, out in the hallway, or in the elevator. I have a hundred stores and may write a book.


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Guys. Isn't it time you found new homes? Yours seem like fire traps. frown

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Guys. Isn't it time you found new homes? Yours seem like fire traps. frown

When I think of living in a fire trap, my mind immediately jumps to this Oakland example.


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Guys. Isn't it time you found new homes? Yours seem like fire traps. frown

When I think of living in a fire trap, my mind immediately jumps to this Oakland example.


A word to the wise, if you live in a multi-unit building, spend ~$50 for a smoke hood. Smoke hoods give you 20-30 minutes of oxygen through a chemical reaction. You pull little rubber plugs to start the flow of oxygen. Smoke kills, fire rarely does. In this horrific tragedy, four people were killed eight or nine stories above the fire:

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/24/nyregion/4-killed-fleeing-blaze-in-high-rise.html


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Originally Posted by LarryK
A word to the wise, if you live in a multi-unit building, spend ~$50 for a smoke hood. Smoke hoods give you 20-30 minutes of oxygen through a chemical reaction. You pull little rubber plugs to start the flow of oxygen. Smoke kills, fire rarely does.

Good tip!

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A word to the wise, if you live in a multi-unit building, spend ~$50 for a smoke hood. Smoke hoods give you 20-30 minutes of oxygen through a chemical reaction. You pull little rubber plugs to start the flow of oxygen. Smoke kills, fire rarely does.

Good tip!


It is. I read about how a guy started importing smoke hoods into the US when he noticed that they had them in every hotel room in Hong Kong but not in a single hotel room in the US.

I texted/talked a friend through what to do when there was a fire in her building, just a week ago. It was a nerve-racking experience because I could not see where the fire was located in her building, and she couldn't tell.

She didn't know things such as to put wet towels under the door in order to block the entry of smoke. I had her do that, and to also feel the door to see if it was hot. She has a fire escape, but there was a ladder from an FDNY truck right next to that window, going up to the roof, so we didn't know if the fire was above her. Nobody else was going down the fire escape, and nobody was issuing instructions of any kind. She could hear people coughing in the hallway.

So, she stayed put in her apartment and tried to figure out what to do. I said that she had to use her best judgement and to go if she felt the room start to fill with smoke. She didn't want to open the window because of the amount of smoke outside.

Her building is only a five minute run from mine so I ran out the door and up a hill to see out what was going on. By the time I got there, the men from FDNY had put out the blaze, which was on the second floor, just two floors down from her apartment, and the next wing over from her apartment. The firemen had smashed out all of the windows from the street side and made quick work of the fire. They had put ladders all over the building, that must be protocol in case the fire starts to spread.

I suppose it was good that she did not go out the fire escape because there is a wooden scaffold/sidewalk bridge on the second floor because they're doing some work on the building. The sidewalk bridge could have been engulfed in flames, it's at the same level as the burning apartment.

Most of the time, nothing happens, but every once in a while, something happens to scare you to death.

P.S. She's put in an order for a smoke hood.

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