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Syllabus, systems, and grades, oh my! #2850831
05/21/19 05:02 PM
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As some of you may recall, I had never heard of grades or a syllabus in the 48 years of my life before I joined this forum last autumn. Where I grew up, they simply weren't used. My teacher chose pieces to set me, and as I grew older, I had a say as well, but they weren't chosen according to any grading system, only her own good judgment.

Now I know it exists, I've become almost fanatical about finding out the which grade a piece is. I amuse myself remembering as many of the pieces that I used to play and typing them into the search on pianosyllabus.com. I'm fairly certain that the level I'd achieved by the time I left my lessons behind, was about a 9, which I maintained for most of my adult life, and now after my 15-year break I'm down to a 6, at best.

The downside is that I get almost frantic when I can't find a piece on the syllabus! I just mentioned in a thread over in the Pianist Corner, that I've been kinda obsessed with Grieg's "Carnival Scene" (Fra Karnevalet) lately. Neither the English nor the Norwegian title, or the opus number (op. 10 no. 3) brings up the grade. Any of ye know the piece? And if you do, would you be willing to hazard a guess? I've had a look at the sheet music, and most of it seems playable, but towards the end there are a few very hairy passages that I believe would bump up the grade by quite a bit.

Anyway, I thought it might amuse you that you've made me completely dependent on something I didn't even know existed a year ago grin

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Re: Syllabus, systems, and grades, oh my! [Re: Sibylle] #2850838
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Originally Posted by Sibylle

The downside is that I get almost frantic when I can't find a piece on the syllabus! I just mentioned in a thread over in the Pianist Corner, that I've been kinda obsessed with Grieg's "Carnival Scene" (Fra Karnevalet) lately. Neither the English nor the Norwegian title, or the opus number (op. 10 no. 3) brings up the grade. Any of ye know the piece? And if you do, would you be willing to hazard a guess? I've had a look at the sheet music, and most of it seems playable, but towards the end there are a few very hairy passages that I believe would bump up the grade by quite a bit.

Anyway, I thought it might amuse you that you've made me completely dependent on something I didn't even know existed a year ago grin


I think you refer to opus 19 number 3 and not opus 10 (those are songs) from the scenes of country life. I know the piece though I never played it. I would guess a solid RCM 10 because of the difficulty to get the rythmic part right.

Re: Syllabus, systems, and grades, oh my! [Re: Sibylle] #2850858
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It is a very complex and difficult piece. I would not at all recommend it. How familiar are you with Grieg ? It is harder to play it than it looks. I would recommend some Lyrical pieces would be better.

Here is what I have played and I would really recommend you start with some of these.

Phantom - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdcFxcP8QPU
Ballade - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfjMfPy0Qtc
Dance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twm9dAZYEyk
March of the dwaffs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALCpt_ScLl0

If you want some a harder Grieg that is more approachable I would recommend the Piano Sonata.. I have played the 3rd movement. The 2nd is perhaps the better option and the patterns though complex are doable. I believe is both are easier than your piece so if you have the ability you can try it but I myself would be wary of it.

Piano Sonata - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWQUeipn-N0

Re: Syllabus, systems, and grades, oh my! [Re: Sibylle] #2850883
05/21/19 08:43 PM
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can't help you with the grading, but here is another reference guide every obsessive grader needs. I do believe it isn't completely accurate but you know no one ever agrees on this stuff.


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Re: Syllabus, systems, and grades, oh my! [Re: Sibylle] #2850976
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From a pianostreet thread https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=1314.0:

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No mention of Op 19 #3 Carnival Scene. Were would that one fall on the list, Bernhard?



Op. 19 is not part of the Lyric pieces (which the original query specified), Grieg named the three pieces in this set "Pictures from folk life".

All three of them are very difficult, well above grade 8 ABRSM. while the Lyric pieces are really "music for the home", very much like Mendelssohn's songs without words, these are concert pieces, mixing folk themes with piano virtuosity. The least demanding technically of the three is no. 2 (still difficult) - Bridal procession, one of Grieg's favorite pieces. He intended them to be playes as a set.

These pieces - in my opinion - are well beyond the original purpose of the query (i.e. - use in teaching intermediate students).

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

Re: Syllabus, systems, and grades, oh my! [Re: Sidokar] #2851312
05/23/19 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Sidokar
I think you refer to opus 19 number 3 and not opus 10 (those are songs) from the scenes of country life. I know the piece though I never played it. I would guess a solid RCM 10 because of the difficulty to get the rythmic part right.

I did indeed mean opus 19, sorry for the typo! And yes, I agree it's probably way up there, at least a nine.

Moo, don't worry, I wasn't going to attempt it any time soon, haha, I was just wondering about the grade. I've played quite a lot of Grieg and will definitely do so again.

earlofmar, thanks for that! Someone else linked that at some point, I really need to save it this time smile

Barbaram, thank you for that quote! Again, very much what I suspected.


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