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Kawai MP7/SE - how to copy subs to a new setup? #2850503 05/20/19 04:42 PM
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Just got a MP7SE and loving it.

Can anyone tell me how to copy
- A sub from one setup to a different setup
- A Sub to a different sub in the same setup (eg main to Sub1)

I am setting up different sounds in subs (in Setups) that I want to use as a library to drop into different setups as appropriate.

eg I create my version of Pad1 (with various edits) that I save in a setup and will want to copy only that sub part of the setup into a different setup.

There surely has to be a way otherwise its loads of work writing down all the parameters!

Thanks

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Re: Kawai MP7/SE - how to copy subs to a new setup? [Re: Wp59] #2850543 05/20/19 07:51 PM
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Hello Wp59, welcome to the forum, and congrats on your MP7SE!

First, there is no "copy and paste" functionality (in the traditional sense) in the MP instruments, however there are some methods that can achieve similar results.

1. Eff.SW setting in SYSTEM:Utility
This setting defines whether or not EFX/AMP/Reverb settings are changed when alternating between different SETUPs. Using this setting, it is possible to copy EFX/AMP/Reverb settings to multiple sounds, as explained on p.106 of the owner's manual.

2. Store to SOUND memory first
SOUND memories can memorise most of the zone's parameters (except [C]ommon parameters and a part of KeySetup parameters). Therefore, if you wish to reuse the same modified SOUND in multiple SETUPS, it should be possible to make the desired changes to a SOUND, store them to memory, then assign this modified SOUND to the desire ZONE of a SETUP. However, please bear in mind that the SUB1/2/3 have different EFX capabilities to the MAIN zone, so if a SOUND is prepared for the MAIN zone using EFX that are only accessible for that zone, assigning it a SUB1/2/3 zone may result in a slightly different sound (due to fallback EFX being used)

3. Store ONE SOUND memory to USB stick, then reload
I have not tried this myself, but I believe it should be possible adjust a SOUND, save it as a ONE SOUND file to USB memory, then reload into another SETUP memory.

4. SETUP memory copy
It's also possible to "copy" complete SETUP memories by using the STORE function and simply changing the memory position to store the SETUP to. This will essentially give you a backup of the current instrument configuration, which can be used as a base to make further changes.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Re: Kawai MP7/SE - how to copy subs to a new setup? [Re: Wp59] #2850588 05/21/19 01:42 AM
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James

Many thanks for such an immediate and full reply... i will try these out!

Re: Kawai MP7/SE - how to copy subs to a new setup? [Re: Wp59] #2852385 05/26/19 12:24 PM
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Hi James
I’ve now had a chance to look at your suggestions – here is some feedback in case it’s useful to others:-

- It all seems to work as you describe above in the various ways and helps to some extent.

The most useful one being to adjust a sound as desired and save it to USB – BUT – afterwards to leave the original preset saved sound on the keyboard intact with its original sound parameters. This strikes me as being important as sometimes we can be too extreme in editing and it’s good to have the original reference. Thus – when the edited sound is needed for a setup, it can be loaded back onto the MP7SE and used in the new setup. After which, the original preset sound will have to be loaded back on.

But how? I had thought that by doing a complete “Factory setup” backup onto USB, the sound could be extracted from that and loaded on to the keyboard. But no – it seems you can only load the whole backup, not select parts of it. So – the FIRST step in any of this has to be to save the original preset sound as a single sound on USB so it can be loaded back on at the end.

So the sequence is
- Save the individual sound in its factory preset state as a single sound to USB (so it can be loaded back at the end)
- Edit the sound as required
- Save the edited sound (on the keyboard)
- Save this edited sound to USB (ie as a “library” so that it can be recalled at a later date)
- Use the edited sound in setups as needed
- Finally, reload the original sound from USB so that we are back to Factory Preset state for that sound.

It’s a bit clunky, but it does work.

There’s one thing I cannot work out how to do.
Example:-
In Setup Position 7-5-B there is a Soft Pad. This has been created – amazingly – by the Lead Synth sound “Saw Lead LP24”. With a bit of reduction in Cutoff, this has a better sound than any of the “proper” preset Pads – to my ears at least. Clearly there are several edits to transform a lead synth into a pad.
What I want to do is to experiment with other synth sounds, with the starting point of using the same edits as the “24” sound.

First bit is easy – save the setup to a different position eg 7-7-A
Then – swap the sound eg use Saw Lead 12 instead of 24.
But – this (unsurprisingly) imports the “12” sound with its default parameters.

*** How do I import the 12 sound but keep the parameters used for the 24 sound? ***

(The parameter copying facility seems only to work in sounds, not setups)_.

Finally
- The possibilities to create sounds are obviously limitless – as above someone at Kawai obviously had the imagination to create a pad out of a lead synth. I am pretty certain that the good people at Kawai will have created many more such setups – is there a way these can be shared, similar to the Yamaha Soundmondo website. I’m aware of the Facebook group but it doesn’t seem to be very active - I suspect that if Kawai put a whole load of setups somewhere it would gather more interest.


Many thanks!

Last edited by Wp59; 05/26/19 12:27 PM.
Re: Kawai MP7/SE - how to copy subs to a new setup? [Re: Wp59] #2852542 05/26/19 09:01 PM
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Hi Wp59, thank you for your feedback, and for sharing your workflow.

Originally Posted by Wp59
*** How do I import the 12 sound but keep the parameters used for the 24 sound? ***


Unfortunately the settings for one sound cannot be "copied" to another sound.
The only option is to remake the 24 sound using the 12 sound as a reference, I'm afraid.

Regarding your second point, there is no "official" site for sharing modified sounds, unfortunately.

Thanks again for your feedback.

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Re: Kawai MP7/SE - how to copy subs to a new setup? [Re: Wp59] #2853292 05/28/19 07:28 PM
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Wp59, one of my colleagues prepared a quickly edited "Soft Pad" using the original "Saw Pad LP12" sound:

https://oc5.kawai.jp/owncloud/s/YSOYsk6B3OFTLbJ

Perhaps you can use this as the basis for experimentation?

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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