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Kawai Novus NV10 - line in volume level #2807934
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The NV10 hands on thread is getting too big - so posting a separate thread here.

I recently starting using NV10 with external VST's connected via line in. I find that the sound is better with line in volume set to say, -4 db. Is there a way to make this setting permanent - so it sticks after turning NV10 off and on?

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - line in volume level [Re: Osho] #2807952
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Like the other settings in “sound”, I think if you save it to your startup favorite it will stay permanent. I just tried it and it worked for me. You will need to create a new favorite as your startup.


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As Tom mentioned, "startup with favorite" is the easiest way. From somewhere in the monster NV10 thread, I think you can find details about how to "trick" the UI into starting up with various settings adjustments without using a favorite.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - line in volume level [Re: Osho] #2807979
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Osho, the following steps should do the "trick":

1. Set Line In Volume to -4.
2. Store to a new Favorite memory.
3. Select newly created Favorite memory in Favorite screen.
4. Set "Startup with Favorite" setting to ON.

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You NV10 guys should build an NV10 wiki laugh


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - line in volume level [Re: Osho] #2808043
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Thanks Tom, Gombessa and James!

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - line in volume level [Re: bSharp(C)yclist] #2808363
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Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
You NV10 guys should build an NV10 wiki laugh


That's not a bad idea, actually...

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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - line in volume level [Re: Osho] #2849375
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Hi everyone!
Regarding the line-in functionality, my Novus 10 experiences a weird problem. When I plug any device in order to use the native's speakers (I personally use Garritan CFX VST), and when I start to turn up the volume (by adjusting both line-in and Master volume), an hum starts to increase. I don't know if it's normal or a problem so, I'd like to ask to anyone who's been using this functionality if experience something just similar to my case.
With native sound and without line-in, I don't have any problems to deal with.
My current version is 1.0.2. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

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Hi Giac,

It may depend on what kind of "hum" you're experiencing. Does it disappear as soon as you disconnect the USB cable from your laptop (used for your VST)? If so, that could indicate a "ground loop" noise, which IME can be a bit hard to eliminate. I've had decent luck with products like the iDefender 3.0 (you can Google it or look on Amazon).

There are various versions of firmware version 1.0.2 (the most recent being 1.0.2g) but I'm not aware of any version making changes to line-in audio levels.


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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - line in volume level [Re: Gombessa] #2849474
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Hi Gombessa!
On your advice, I've just given it a try but the noise still remains, both I plug a USB cable and I disconnect it. When I adjust the volumes and without any cable connected the noise remains the same, anyway. I have no idea where it derives from; it could be normal but I don't know...

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Thanks for trying the test Giac. If the noise is present even without a physical USB connection, then it likely isn't the "ground loop" issue some of us have dealt with before.

Unfortunately, it's really hard to diagnose these issues on the Internet. It may be helpful if you can provide a video showing what the hum is like when you have line-in connected, versus what it's like when you disconnect the line-in?

Also, are you able to connect to the NV-10 using Bluetooth audio instead? You wouldn't want to use this for a VST since the latency is too high, but it may give you a comparison between what your line-in sounds like versus a pure digital + airgapped solution.


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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1atT-0u-sIZ-tZAEiftD48yPuFR_bSapE/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CIkYnBd6nfATRBOwzPGI0r4KVVpy4Uy1/view?usp=sharing

Here are the links to my test. First of all I turned line-in to max and only then I rolled the master knob up and down to highlight the noise evolution. Any suggestions to my settings? Has someone ever experienced something like this?

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Hello Giac,

Thank you for the recording and video.

Just to clarify, there was nothing connected (USB, Line In, etc.) to the NV10 when this audio/video was captured, correct?

Kind regards,
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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - line in volume level [Re: Kawai James] #2850229
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Hello Kawai James!
I found out another thing (sorry for my ignorance)! When I plug the AUX cable to line-in in a "freely way" (without any other devices connected in the opposite side such as VSTs etc...) there is the problem previously displayed, BUT when I also unplug the "freely" AUX cable, the noise DISAPPEAR!
Before, in my mind, I thought that the two cases would have proved the same evidence, but actually not. So next I tried different AUX cables, but when I plug them in line-in port, the problem persist. Now in brief, when I connect devices to line-in there is the buzz, without anything connected the noise goes away. What do you think? Could it be resolved?

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So to clarify:

1. No Line In cable connected to piano, no Line In cable connected to device = No hum noise.
2. Line In cable connected to piano, but not connected to device = No hum noise.
3. Line In cable connected to piano and connected to device = Hum noise.

Is this a correct summary?
Which devices have you tried to connect to the Line In connectors so far? Just your computer?

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The first and third statements are correct! Instead the second one is wrong because: Line In cable connected to piano, but not connected to device = Hum noise .
This is the case of the "freely" cable I talked about before. And Yes, I have just connected my computer so far because it is the only device I need to use.

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I'm thinking that this is likely caused by a defective cable.
Originally Posted by Giac
Line In cable connected to piano, but not connected to device = Hum noise.
Try a new cable.

1. What kind of cable are you using? Is the shield connection broken? (Silly question. You cannot see that. You can only try a new cable.)

2. Is there any shielding at all? You can't see that either. But ... if this is a cheap dollar-store cable, you can bet that it's crap. Stick with brand-name cables.

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I tried to make the connection with brand new cables of renowed marks. Here they are:

https://www.amazon.com/Syncwire-Cab...amp;s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Auxiliary-Compatible-Smartphones-Tablets/dp/B01N2R9K5N/ref=sr_1_7?crid=WNIQMJSVVX3P&keywords=ugreen+aux+cable&qid=1558351651&s=gateway&sprefix=aux+ugr%2Caps%2C274&sr=8-7

Do you think it could be caused by them?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm thinking that this is likely caused by a defective cable.
Originally Posted by Giac
Line In cable connected to piano, but not connected to device = Hum noise.
Try a new cable.

1. What kind of cable are you using? Is the shield connection broken? (Silly question. You cannot see that. You can only try a new cable.)

2. Is there any shielding at all? You can't see that either. But ... if this is a cheap dollar-store cable, you can bet that it's crap. Stick with brand-name cables.

Hummm. On my NU1 if I connect a (screened, decent quality) audio cable to the AUX in left and right ports but leave the other end open dangling and disconnected, I get a loud hum out of the piano speakers. Plug the other end in (usually) to iPad and the hum goes. This observation may help?

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I think there should be a connection sensor in the AUX-IN jacks, just as they are in the headphone jacks (so the piano knows when headphones are connected and to cut the sound to the speakers). So when there is no aux-in cable connected to the DP, it's not listening for that port--you should hear no hum regardless of the input.

With that said, it could definitely be a cable issue (and those are oftentimes the hardest to detect because you tend to focus on the terminal components) so it's worth trying a different one.


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