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Yamaha PF-85: Anybody got any experience/memories of it? #2849814
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Been offered one of these on the (very very) cheap by an acquaintance who has it lying around in his family house in Skye. Can anyone give me any comments on the quality of the action, and whether it'd be fit for purpose to use with Pianoteq etc.

Moved out of my parents house recently and into a flat, and need a DP to transition onto from the Yamaha U3 I grew up playing. I'm saving up for probably an RD-2000/MP7SE, something in that range, but am trying to assess whether to accept my friend's offer in the meantime. Almost zero information available online about the PF-85 as it's so old, so anything people can tell me about it would be much appreciated.

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Re: Yamaha PF-85: Anybody got any experience/memories of it? [Re: Sumaes] #2849826
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I have a PF-80 with the FM synthesis sounds instead of samples. (Mostly tucked away in the closet) They have the same "Action Effect" (AE) action as far as I know. So did the "legendary" KX-88 except that it also has/had aftertouch.

It's not hopeless unless you are actually picky on actions. It actually doesn't use hammers but lead weights and springs. It's quite "piano like".

I'd say compared to a Kawai ES-100 (AHA IV-F):
- It's a bit lighter.
- It's not very fast to return/repeat but maybe on par with the ES-100.
- Key pivot length is similar.
- There's absolutely no return bounce.
- Somebody might describe it as "mushy". It's not like playing sponges or a synth action, but it's not as "snappy" somehow.
- The keys have a faint clicking sound by design. Otherwise my PF-80 feels and sounds like a quality product although it looks like it has seen a lot of life, maybe even gigging.

The PF-80 is really really really heavy and I think the PF-85 shares the chassis design. It's possible to move it around by a single adult, but it's no fun.

The PF-80 supports three pedals. Two are just switches and e.g. something from Fatar will do. The sustain pedal jack does also support "half-pedalling" (4 levels including off) at least with the impossible-to-find Yamaha FC-8 pedal (which I found). I don't know if the modern FC-3 is compatible. And of course it could be different for the PF-85.

If it has a LINE IN, it might be MONO.

Of course if money is not a problem it's better to get something more modern.

Re: Yamaha PF-85: Anybody got any experience/memories of it? [Re: Sumaes] #2849880
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That's good to know! It sounds like definitely not an ideal long-term solution. On your PF-80, is the action graded or just equally weighted across the keyboard?

I think obviously it's not the perfect solution, but sounds like it can be a good stop-gap so that I can spend some months saving up for something up-to-date technology-wise. MIDI-out means that if I can get along with the action I can prevent the rust from setting in, fingers crossed.

Thanks for the info!

Re: Yamaha PF-85: Anybody got any experience/memories of it? [Re: Sumaes] #2849884
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Originally Posted by Sumaes
but sounds like it can be a good stop-gap so that I can spend some months saving up for something up-to-date technology-wise.

You won't have to save that long. There are many budget-class keyboards with fully weighted hammer action keys, such as the Roland FP-10 and Casio PX-S1000. If you have become accustomed to playing piano on your parents' U3, that's the sort of upgrade you should make as soon as financially feasible, rather than saving for the ultimate keyboard later. If I were you and budget constrained, I might upgrade myself to a PX-S1000 when I can, and then save more for something like an ES8, and then just sell the PX-S1000 used and buy an ES8 when I can. Upgrade further in two smaller steps than one long step.

This is all assuming you already know you will be sticking with piano as I am assuming since your parents already have an U3 and you're thinking of a substitute now that you don't have access to that.


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Re: Yamaha PF-85: Anybody got any experience/memories of it? [Re: Sumaes] #2849893
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Unfortunately an acoustic piano won't be a practical option for the foreseeable, my flat is in a block of tenements and I've neighbours on all four sides. Would love to have a U3 back in my life but will have to content myself with a nice digital that is good enough to keep my technique in decent enough shape for when I eventually have the opportunity to play an acoustic everyday again.

Have enough saved away for a PX-S1000 but I tried it out in store and didn't like the feel of the keyboard. Have my eye on either an ES8/MP7, or an RD2000, but would rather borrow this PF85 for a few months and just give it back when it gets superceded than go through the hassle of buying and then selling a Casio at a loss. I get what you're saying about two small steps being better than one big one, but the £100+ that I would lose turning something over makes me think I'm better off holding out for a keyboard I can be content with for a good number of years.

Re: Yamaha PF-85: Anybody got any experience/memories of it? [Re: Sumaes] #2849914
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Originally Posted by Sumaes
It sounds like definitely not an ideal long-term solution. On your PF-80, is the action graded or just equally weighted across the keyboard?


Yeah, you might not like it in long term if you are accustomed to better actions. Or at least you might start wondering if having a better action would be advantageous to honing your skills. (Which it of course would.)

And it's not graded but all the keys have the same weight.

Re: Yamaha PF-85: Anybody got any experience/memories of it? [Re: clothearednincompo] #2850130
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Have the privilege of being accustomed to a really nice upright action, but sounds like the PF-85 is up to purpose for a few months of light practice, and keeping up repertoire. Thanks for weighing in, really nice to get some solid info from someone.

Ta!

Re: Yamaha PF-85: Anybody got any experience/memories of it? [Re: Sumaes] #2850136
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I do remember it was a predecessor of the slabs of today; but is extremely heavy. I thought I played one back in 1991 is that possible- while getting my Sy55- if not then I played it later.

Either way- I think the money would be better spent on a more recent Casio which would have better action


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