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Re: frustrated and new to forum [Re: diviajar1] #2848924
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No. 3 is generally considered Grade 4. (It might be “level 1” according to Henle, but the Henle grades are a lot harder than most.)

Opus 36, No. 1 is easier.

Try the Piano Syllabus search, enter Clementi for composer, Sonatina for title: you will get a list of all his Sonatinas and an indication of the grades for each (sometimes even for the separate movements) as assessed by a variety of organizations (ABRSM, RCM, Henle etc.). Piano Syllabus website


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Re: frustrated and new to forum [Re: PatG] #2849307
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Unfamiliar with this piece I looked up the score on IMSLP. IMO this is too difficult for someone with 16 months experience. If I include playing it with classical phrasing & articulation, then it's out of the question for someone at 16 months. It's too much.

I advise putting this piece down, coming back to it next year and trying something easier. It's naturally frustrating playing something that's too difficult. It's naturally impossible to be consistent with something that's too difficult. Pieces closer to your experience level are much more enjoyable.

I realize you have to push yourself to get better. Trick is to figure how much to push because too much is bad.


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Re: frustrated and new to forum [Re: joe80] #2849400
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Originally Posted by joe80
In my teaching experience, students are usually inconsistent because the practise the wrong way, or inefficiently.

You really have to practise very small sections, and I mean, very small, over and over, slowly. Students often try to play through the piece too soon.

So for instance, in the Clementi first sonatina, you have the opening motive "ta ta-te ta" on beats 1, 2 and 3. Practise that motif "Ta ta-te ta" slowly, different dynamics. Use the fourth beat as the up-beat to the next measure so "ta TA ta-te ta" (upper-case Ta being beat 1). Then do it again, and again. Slowly. Speed up gradually. Then put the two motifs together, allowing your brain to think of the two individual motifs that make up that statement.

Second measure, fourth beat, that's the up-beat to the scale, so you start "ta Ta-te ta-te ta", stay on that last "ta", it's the passing of the finger over the thumb. Be careful there. What movement are you making to pass the finger? Is it efficient and effective? Then move on to the next part of it, etc etc. Break down the whole piece like this. Don't play through it from beginning to end. It will take you a couple of hours to do the first two pages. Do the second two pages in the same way. Work like that for 3 days in a row. After 3 days, play it through. Slowly. Increase the speed gradually each time you play it. If you're still having problems, at least now you can analyse exactly where, and exactly why, because you'll have the small motifs clear in your head.

I am almost certain that will eliminate any catastrophes you may be experiencing! Good luck!


This some really good advice. When I'm learning a hard piece, I chop it all up into little bits where the challenges are, then start stringing them together. And those little tiny things, like joe80's example here, can eat your lunch. One of the biggest challenges in learning to practice efficiently is learning to troubleshoot those little details. Hang in there!

Re: frustrated and new to forum [Re: Qwerty53] #2850056
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Originally Posted by Qwerty53
No. 3 is generally considered Grade 4. (It might be “level 1” according to Henle, but the Henle grades are a lot harder than most.)

Opus 36, No. 1 is easier.

Try the Piano Syllabus search, enter Clementi for composer, Sonatina for title: you will get a list of all his Sonatinas and an indication of the grades for each (sometimes even for the separate movements) as assessed by a variety of organizations (ABRSM, RCM, Henle etc.). Piano Syllabus website

Thank you. I didn't know that site.

Indeed it looks very difficult!

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