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Unusual bosendorfer #2849068 05/16/19 11:27 PM
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This is currently on sale on Ebay

What I don’t get is why it even exists...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Bosendorfer-Limited-edition-Swarovski-crystal-VS1/202680299832?hash=item2f30aff138:g:W~MAAOSw8Ipc0z-I

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Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: almo82] #2849072 05/16/19 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by almo82
This is currently on sale on Ebay

What I don’t get is why it even exists...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Bosendorfer-Limited-edition-Swarovski-crystal-VS1/202680299832?hash=item2f30aff138:g:W~MAAOSw8Ipc0z-I


Broken link, but perhaps because some people like bling wink

Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: almo82] #2849079 05/17/19 12:51 AM
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I will take the ebony one.Selling the house in retirement for
the bling may not be good for one's health.
There is an ebony finish for $5,000 or did I leave out a 0 ?

Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: almo82] #2849096 05/17/19 02:35 AM
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Reposting the link.

Lady Bird: you are off by 2 zeros. :-)


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Bosendorfer-Limited-edition-Swarovski-crystal-VS1/202680299832?hash=item2f30aff138:g:W~MAAOSw8Ipc0z-I


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Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: almo82] #2849098 05/17/19 02:40 AM
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adding an Image link - in case the link is broken again.


[img]https://ibb.co/dbVMkG4[/img]


https://ibb.co/dbVMkG4

Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: outo] #2849142 05/17/19 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by outo
Originally Posted by almo82
This is currently on sale on Ebay

What I don’t get is why it even exists...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Bosendorfer-Limited-edition-Swarovski-crystal-VS1/202680299832?hash=item2f30aff138:g:W~MAAOSw8Ipc0z-I


Broken link, but perhaps because some people like bling wink

The link worked for me ok.


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Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: almo82] #2849151 05/17/19 07:20 AM
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Is that grey ? Why grey? really?
That looks ugly ! Now i know i do't have the taste of royals and of course the wealth...

Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: almo82] #2849181 05/17/19 09:04 AM
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If you open the e-bay icon under the grey bling one I can see
an ebony Bösendorfer for $5,995.00 or am I really still missing
an 0 ?

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Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: almo82] #2849201 05/17/19 09:52 AM
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LadyBird: I don't see the Bosendorfer offer, but if they have a new ebony Bosie for $5,995, then I'll have 3, please.....

Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: almo82] #2849204 05/17/19 09:56 AM
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I think Lady Bird meant this one for $5,995? But it's not ebony.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bosendorfer-Model-170-Grand-piano-Steinway-bench/123770382948

For $2.5M, they can't even throw in free shipping. Geesh!

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Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: almo82] #2849284 05/17/19 12:44 PM
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Yes but it's looks like it's from 1891 ?Perhaps for someone who can have it restored ?

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Re: Unusual bosendorfer [Re: almo82] #2849289 05/17/19 12:50 PM
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It has been restored, but it has a Viennese action.


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Viennese action ? Is it authentic but out of date?

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Viennese action ? Is it authentic but out of date?


The Viennese action was a simpler version of the English action, which became what we all call the modern action, Lady Bird. It also operated quite differently in that the hammer did not just go up and down, but there was a little back and forth motion as well, that results in a little bit of a circular motion, making it possible to touch or stroke the string. Here is a drawing of one:

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Thank you Rich for posting the explanation. Why did the Viennese action give way to the English action? Was it more difficult to play? Did it need constant maintenance? Was it more vulnerable to breaking?


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Yes thank you ! I know a little more about
the development of the piano now.

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I believe that the English action was a descendent of Cristofori's action, while the Viennese action came from a separate invention of the piano by a German inventor; I cannot remember who offhand, but probably the piano maker whose piano Bach tried.

The Viennese action is not a repetition action. It is difficult to regulate and service. So the Erard repetition action has replaced it in modern pianos.


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Originally Posted by BDB
I believe that the English action was a descendent of Cristofori's action, while the Viennese action came from a separate invention of the piano by a German inventor; I cannot remember who offhand, but probably the piano maker whose piano Bach tried.

The Viennese action is not a repetition action. It is difficult to regulate and service. So the Erard repetition action has replaced it in modern pianos.


I really don't think it is fair to separate Cristofori's action from the Viennese school, BDB. Yes, with 21st century eyes we see the shortcomings of the Viennese design, and to modern American piano techs. it is counterintuitive that the hammer head should point toward, rather than away from, the player. It is simpler than a modern action by far, and is simpler than Cristofori's last action, but gave a quicker response and a somewhat louder sound than other early pianos of the time.

I feel better thinking about it as a step in the evolution of the action. It was also a great step forward at that time and offered new sensitivity in the late 18th and the first half of the 19th century. Mozart, Hummel, Beethoven, and others owned them and had great praise for them.

By the mid 19th century, the Viennese action was being out performed by what would become the modern action, and BDB nailed the designer. We can thank Erard for helping to point all action builders to where they are today. But the Viennese action still had demand and, until 1909, Bösendorfer offered it as an option in their pianos.

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The Viennese action is so much different from the Cristofori action that I think it should be credited as a parallel invention. I think it is very clever. It is not a direction I would have gone, but then, I have a lot of Italian ancestry myself!


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The OP shows a Swarowski Crystal Boesendorfer for $2.5M. From the detailed pictures it looks like a 225, since it has 92 keys.

According to the listing in the next post, it costs 1.2M Euro, about half as much as the posting is asking.

https://www.libertyparkmusic.com/top-10-pianos-for-the-cool-and-rich/

Here are a few limited editions Boesendorfer has made over the years.

https://keyboardconcepts.com/bosendorfer-limited-edition/


Boesendorfer 225 (1985)
Yamaha S400E (predecessor to CF4) Disklavier (1992)
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