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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2849015
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Speaking as a member on here and Pianostreet for seventeen years, I think those who inhabit the ABF section are a pretty nice and, perhaps more importantly, a musically broadminded lot. Although far from a beginner, I shall continue to contribute to the recitals because I think free improvisation is something an adult beginner could easily develop and get a lot of pleasure from doing, regardless of technical level.


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2849017
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ABF for learners is certainly a large part of the sub-forum, but it's not limited to that. It's also a place to share accomplishments (e.g. AOTW), find a sympathetic ear (I really blew that recital), and just chat in a civil manner. It is not all work and no play, as it would be if we restricted ourselves to learning issues only. Yes, we all "learn" from most anything that is posted, but that, in my opinion, is much too broad a definition of "learners."


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2849025
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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
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I think teachers or advanced palyers are quite welcome here as well as total beginners. However we mostly try to be friendly or at least polite even when we disagree. So we don't call our fellow forum members "stinkers" even if we may sometimes think so quietly...


Sure. In general I wouldn't say something like that about other forum members, and there are many with whom I have had polite and professional disagreements. What you may not be aware of is that I have been harassed via private messages. I've received threats and been called all sorts of horrid names (in multiple languages, no less). I think "stinker" is a pretty mild word for people who would do such a thing.

Edit: Something just occurred to me. I wonder if it's because people see my avatar and think I'm female. I've always read that women experience much more harassment online than men. I don't know if that's the case or not.


I'm sorry about the harrasment. Certainly isn't common in ABF. It may not be your gender however, could be just the fact that you are "opiniated" (as am I). I cannot remember getting many unkind PMs, but I have certainly ended up in some heated discussions. Some people think it is not nice to strongly disagree here asking posters to continue with PMs.

People get my gender wrong all the time. It is interesting, because it certainly still does affect how one is treated. For someone interested in gender studies it's like a real life experiment smile

Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: outo] #2849030
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Originally Posted by outo
People get my gender wrong all the time. It is interesting, because it certainly still does affect how one is treated. For someone interested in gender studies it's like a real life experiment smile

Do you suppose it could have anything to do with using as your forum handle a word from a language other than the one prevalent on this forum? wink grin


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2849032
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by outo
People get my gender wrong all the time. It is interesting, because it certainly still does affect how one is treated. For someone interested in gender studies it's like a real life experiment smile

Do you suppose it could have anything to do with using as your forum handle a word from a language other than the one prevalent on this forum? wink grin


Yes, but what makes it interesting is why people assume one way, not the other. Besides, it happens in other forums as well, even domestic wink

Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2849034
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Again, I can’t imagine why anyone would harass someone else on the forum. State your opinion, disagree if you must, and move on. Aside from the occasional quip that falls flat, I hope I don’t offend others. Do onto others as you would have others do onto yourself.


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: cmb13] #2849035
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Originally Posted by cmb13
Do onto others as you would have others do onto yourself.


This does not always work, since many people are far more sensitive than I am smile

Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: outo] #2849037
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Originally Posted by outo
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by outo
People get my gender wrong all the time. It is interesting, because it certainly still does affect how one is treated. For someone interested in gender studies it's like a real life experiment smile

Do you suppose it could have anything to do with using as your forum handle a word from a language other than the one prevalent on this forum? wink grin


Yes, but what makes it interesting is why people assume one way, not the other. Besides, it happens in other forums as well, even domestic wink

BTW, for the record, I'll go out on a limb and say I always assumed you were the other gender than the one suggested by the pronouns people use to refer to you wink LOL


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2849039
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by outo
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by outo
People get my gender wrong all the time. It is interesting, because it certainly still does affect how one is treated. For someone interested in gender studies it's like a real life experiment smile

Do you suppose it could have anything to do with using as your forum handle a word from a language other than the one prevalent on this forum? wink grin


Yes, but what makes it interesting is why people assume one way, not the other. Besides, it happens in other forums as well, even domestic wink

BTW, for the record, I'll go out on a limb and say I always assumed you were the other gender than the one suggested by the pronouns people use to refer to you wink LOL


And you are probably right smile Then again, I do not think it should matter one way or the other. Besides, I have often referred to me as the grazy cat lady here, which may give a clue grin

Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2849133
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''grazy cat lady''.......sorry I'll need more clues


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: cmb13] #2849139
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What was that? Did someone say something?

Just kidding. I’ve never ignored someone....at least not on an official level.


"can you hear me now", lol....


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2849154
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I have a pretty thick skin online. My wife and I have an ongoing stalker in real life.

After my marriage, my wife and I (and also her parents) were stalked by a relative of mine who objected to our union and went off the deep end. Knives, guns, following us around, following my in-laws around, arrests, trials, restraining orders, false reports to the FBI that my new bride was a spy (that really happened!), FBI agents showing up at my office... (thankfully the folks at the FBI weren't born yesterday and realized they'd been had) And when the restraining order proved to not be worth the paper it was printed on, we moved nearly a thousand miles across the country, "far from the home I love," but now we finally have something close to peace.

This same relative has tried to harass me online as well. If that person finds me here (I'm not going to hide), they will likely come here to harass me. For several years I had little to no online presence - I still don't have any social media accounts at all. The last time I interviewed for a job, the HR manager said that I seemed to be a non-person. If I seem a little jumpy, at least now you know why...

So, yes, although some people can be hurtful, that's nothing compared to the crap I've gotten from my own family. Thankfully, on this forum, I can hit the ignore button. "Ain't nobody got time for that," as they say.

I think everyone in this thread is genuine, and includes several of the best folks in this forum. I do think the number of "bad apples" on the forum, as it were, is very small.

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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2849163
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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
I have a pretty thick skin online. My wife and I have an ongoing stalker in real life.

After my marriage, my wife and I (and also her parents) were stalked by a relative of mine who objected to our union and went off the deep end. Knives, guns, following us around, following my in-laws around, arrests, trials, restraining orders, false reports to the FBI that my new bride was a spy (that really happened!), FBI agents showing up at my office... (thankfully the folks at the FBI weren't born yesterday and realized they'd been had) And when the restraining order proved to not be worth the paper it was printed on, we moved nearly a thousand miles across the country, "far from the home I love," but now we finally have something close to peace.

This same relative has tried to harass me online as well. If that person finds me here (I'm not going to hide), they will likely come here to harass me. For several years I had little to no online presence - I still don't have any social media accounts at all. The last time I interviewed for a job, the HR manager said that I seemed to be a non-person. If I seem a little jumpy, at least now you know why...

So, yes, although some people can be hurtful, that's nothing compared to the crap I've gotten from my own family. Thankfully, on this forum, I can hit the ignore button. "Ain't nobody got time for that," as they say.

I think everyone in this thread is genuine, and includes several of the best folks in this forum. I do think the number of "bad apples" on the forum, as it were, is very small.


That’s terrible, I’m sorry to hear that. As Sartre wrote, heck is other people. I knew a guy who owned a software company that created virtual worlds. He received death threats when he changed some people’s virtual worlds!

The truth is, humans need community, we don’t do well living alone, in isolation. So, we have to interact with others. As for this forum, it is wise to remember that there are real people behind all these screen names, and that they’re all struggling to get through life.


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: LarryK] #2849165
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That’s terrible, I’m sorry to hear that. As Sartre wrote, heck is other people. I knew a guy who owned a software company that created virtual worlds. He received death threats when he changed some people’s virtual worlds!

It's easy to be dismissive about such threats. We live in a world where celebrities or politicians can hardly utter a new word in public without death threats being lobbed their way. There are some pretty disturbed individuals out there. And every once in a while, someone other there takes the next step and tries to make good on their threats.

I also wonder if further investment in the mental health area would even help with this particular issue. I suspect that many people that make such threats, or try to carry them out, may not be mentally ill in a conventional sense - at least not in a way that modern psychological/psychiatric treatments can effectively address. They can't all be sociopaths, could they? (But I speculate about this not as not a mental health professional - only an observer).


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: earlofmar] #2849169
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Originally Posted by earlofmar
''grazy cat lady''.......sorry I'll need more clues


I'm reading "grazy" as a combination of grand, lazy, and crazy. As it applies to me, it would be a grazy lady with cats, although with the lovely ambiguity of English it could be a lady with grazy cats.


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Originally Posted by earlofmar
''grazy cat lady''.......sorry I'll need more clues


I'm reading "grazy" as a combination of grand, lazy, and crazy. As it applies to me, it would be a grazy lady with cats, although with the lovely ambiguity of English it could be a lady with grazy cats.


At least not greasy smile Sorry about the typo, these tiny virtual keyboards are just not for me...

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
That’s terrible, I’m sorry to hear that. As Sartre wrote, h*ll is other people. I knew a guy who owned a software company that created virtual worlds. He received death threats when he changed some people’s virtual worlds!

It's easy to be dismissive about such threats. We live in a world where celebrities or politicians can hardly utter a new word in public without death threats being lobbed their way. There are some pretty disturbed individuals out there. And every once in a while, someone other there takes the next step and tries to make good on their threats.

I also wonder if further investment in the mental health area would even help with this particular issue. I suspect that many people that make such threats, or try to carry them out, may not be mentally ill in a conventional sense - at least not in a way that modern psychological/psychiatric treatments can effectively address. They can't all be sociopaths, could they? (But I speculate about this not as not a mental health professional - only an observer).


The guy I mentioned was not dismissive of these threats, as a matter of fact, he was quite disturbed by them and took steps to protect himself and his family.

It’s easy to think that nobody would ever make good on these threats but it is impossible to know for sure. None of us are invisible in the world. If someone wants to find us, they probably can. I take some solace in thinking that it is easier to maintain anonymity in a large city than in a small town, but no place is perfectly safe.


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