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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: CyberGene] #2849942
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Are you sure you can distinguish between a €500 amp and €10000 amp in a blind test? smile

I think there are people who could based on character of the sound, if they knew the make/model of the two amps in question. The interesting test would be if we were to take two highly rated amps in audiophile reviews - one €500 (yes, audiophile mags do review €500 amps! LOL) and the other €10000, and the listeners are only told one is €500, the other is €10000, pick the more expensive one! smile


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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: CyberGene] #2849945
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Are you sure you can distinguish between a €500 amp and €10000 amp in a blind test? smile


Yes, I am pretty sure I can but I would rather spend my time listening to music than doing blind tests.

Right now, I’m running a $1000 Class D amp while my expensive amp is in for repairs after being taken out by something, most likely by a huge power surge from a transformer explosion at ConEd.

Can I hear a difference between the cheap amp and the expensive amp? Absolutely. Is it a significant difference? Yes. Would I sell the expensive amp when I get it back and keep the Class D amp? Nope. Too bad the Class D amp does not beat the more expensive amp because, if it did, I would save a lot of money.

I know, it’s not a blind test but it is what my ears tell me after swapping out a single component.


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Well, you already know you’re listening to one or the other and your expectations are fully working smile That’s why blind tests are useful and why many people who otherwise swear by what they can hear actually fail them smile


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Well, you already know you’re listening to one or the other and your expectations are fully working smile That’s why blind tests are useful and why many people who otherwise swear by what they can hear actually fail them smile



Of course, I knew you were going to say that. Regardless of the type of test, I still rely on my sense of hearing. If it makes you feel better to say that my sense of hearing can always be tricked, well, go ahead and hold that view. I want you to be happy. I don’t need a blind taste test to differentiate between an avocado and a tomato.

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P.S. If I could only listen to headphones, I’d drop the money for the top of the line STAX. After all, by definition, you’re not spending the money to build a two channel system with speakers, so, why not?

Because, contrary to you, I do not have infinite disposable income. 1.5K for my Clear was already borderline insane to spend on audio given my financial situation. (I don't regret it though)

If I had, I would buy a house first and get some nice speakers in a dedicated listening room.

Top of the line STAX are what ~5K?
Add another 5K for the specialty amp (b/c you can't drive them electrostatics with any equipment, compared to normal HPs).

Originally Posted by LarryK
Hmm, what kind of musicians don’t care about sound quality? Classical? Rock? Pop? I don’t believe that musicians who have spent decades perfecting their sound don’t care if that sound is ruined on the recording. Poorly recorded CDs will not sell well.

Read up on the thing called "loudness war", listen to modern music (I know most of it sucks)... hear the clipping distortion, hear the squashed dynamics, hear the crappy lossy compression in nearly all mainstream media..
Most artists / studio engineers do NOT care about audiophilia and neither does the vast, overwhelming majority of listeners.
These are professionals and they know their mathematics. They have neutral pro grade gear that is well designed w/o any unnecessary marketing BS. Down to the essentials and .. often not exactly good looking either. Designed to get the job done.

People like you and me, that actively try to get the best sound they can, sit back and close their eyes while listening are a tiny subset of a tiny subset. Most peeps out there listen to crappy 10€ earbuds while doing all kinds of things while listening and call it a day.

Originally Posted by LarryK
With so little ambient sound, you start hearing the blood flowing through your own veins, a disconcerting sound, and one you never hear normally.

Indeed, operational noises of our bodies are annoying as f***. To bad for me that I hear them most of the time. I can also feel my pulse w/o putting a finger on any artery.

Originally Posted by LarryK
Speakers and amps are the two biggest parts of the equation.

Partially correct:
Speakers and room are the biggest factors, in nearly every system, interactions with an unoptimized room degrade SQ far more than any "cheap" amp could. Cheap being a relative term, mind you, of course the amp has to be of sufficient quality to not add distortion/color the signal and cope with the attached load at the desired volumes.


Now regarding your amp: Why did you redact the spec sheet? This is a little paranoid.
I see rather high wattage, okay, if you think you need that (hint: unless you plan to go deaf or have a very large room to fill, you don't).

Okay, lets compare that to my amp: Yamaha RX-V377.
Note: That IS an entry level AVR and was the most modest and cheapest Yamaha had on offer when I needed an amp in aa pinch. (more would not make sense for my speakers, more power would not be useful, I run it at -40dB and the neighbor already complains about the bass level (lol I swear that guy can hear grass grow laugh )

I have 70W @0.09/THD
You get 0.05 @ 50W
Yup, a little lower but both are well below any audible levels.

Frequency response
Mine: 10 - 100KHz +0 / -3db
Yours: 0 - 350KHz +-3db
In terms of what we can hear: 20 - 20000 that would be a tie. Both amps should be linear in that range with roll offs at the extremes of the spectrum.

S/N ratio:
Mine: 110db
Yours 79dB
Differences in measurements/weighting? Unclear since I do not know how the measurements are performed. Your amp seems considerably noisier but -79 should still be inaudible.

Power consumption idle:
Holy Moly yours eats 500W w/o doing squat all... yay Class A heater!
Sadly, my manual doesn't specify smirk

Your amp outperforms mine on paper. Easily. It should, yet according to the numbers I see, apart from a lousy class A efficiency I don't see anything that makes me go "OMG awesome". Chances are good that when I hear your amps paired with my speakers, I would not notice much of a difference... well ... except in the electrical bill and room temperature.

Wanna see a really well designed headphone amp with values that make audiophiles drool?
https://jdslabs.com/product/atom-amp/
Bam! 99$. Yeah, it is possible to design great hardware w/o it costing an arm and a leg.

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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: Granyala] #2849988
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Originally Posted by Granyala
Top of the line STAX are what ~5K?
Add another 5K for the specialty amp (b/c you can't drive them electrostatics with any equipment, compared to normal HPs).

If you are interested in electrostatics, the low-end STAX, w/ amp can be had for around the price of your Focals.

I am not interested. The DC bias alone is >500V. I just like that so close to my head.


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Top of the line STAX are what ~5K?
Add another 5K for the specialty amp (b/c you can't drive them electrostatics with any equipment, compared to normal HPs).

If you are interested in electrostatics, the low-end STAX, w/ amp can be had for around the price of your Focals.

I am not interested. The DC bias alone is >500V. I just like that so close to my head.

I thought about Stax when doing my research but honestly, I wanted the signature of the Focals and the whole non portable special rig turned me off.
I can put my Clear into it's case and take it with me / plug it into virtually anything with it's 55 Ohm impedance, since it isn't hard to drive.

Imagine taking a pair of Stax on vacation.
Unless you plan to french kiss your Electrostats, I wouldn't worry about the voltage. laugh


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One quick statement, how in the world can you claim that I have infinite disposable income? That is an absurd statement. I worked for a guy worth around half a billion dollars and even he didn’t have infinite disposable income. Hyperbole like this statement is not useful.

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Originally Posted by Granyala
Originally Posted by LarryK
P.S. If I could only listen to headphones, I’d drop the money for the top of the line STAX. After all, by definition, you’re not spending the money to build a two channel system with speakers, so, why not?

Because, contrary to you, I do not have infinite disposable income. 1.5K for my Clear was already borderline insane to spend on audio given my financial situation. (I don't regret it though)

If I had, I would buy a house first and get some nice speakers in a dedicated listening room.

Top of the line STAX are what ~5K?
Add another 5K for the specialty amp (b/c you can't drive them electrostatics with any equipment, compared to normal HPs).

Originally Posted by LarryK
Hmm, what kind of musicians don’t care about sound quality? Classical? Rock? Pop? I don’t believe that musicians who have spent decades perfecting their sound don’t care if that sound is ruined on the recording. Poorly recorded CDs will not sell well.

Read up on the thing called "loudness war", listen to modern music (I know most of it sucks)... hear the clipping distortion, hear the squashed dynamics, hear the crappy lossy compression in nearly all mainstream media..
Most artists / studio engineers do NOT care about audiophilia and neither does the vast, overwhelming majority of listeners.
These are professionals and they know their mathematics. They have neutral pro grade gear that is well designed w/o any unnecessary marketing BS. Down to the essentials and .. often not exactly good looking either. Designed to get the job done.

People like you and me, that actively try to get the best sound they can, sit back and close their eyes while listening are a tiny subset of a tiny subset. Most peeps out there listen to crappy 10€ earbuds while doing all kinds of things while listening and call it a day.

Originally Posted by LarryK
With so little ambient sound, you start hearing the blood flowing through your own veins, a disconcerting sound, and one you never hear normally.

Indeed, operational noises of our bodies are annoying as f***. To bad for me that I hear them most of the time. I can also feel my pulse w/o putting a finger on any artery.

Originally Posted by LarryK
Speakers and amps are the two biggest parts of the equation.



Partially correct:
Speakers and room are the biggest factors, in nearly every system, interactions with an unoptimized room degrade SQ far more than any "cheap" amp could. Cheap being a relative term, mind you, of course the amp has to be of sufficient quality to not add distortion/color the signal and cope with the attached load at the desired volumes.


Now regarding your amp: Why did you redact the spec sheet? This is a little paranoid.
I see rather high wattage, okay, if you think you need that (hint: unless you plan to go deaf or have a very large room to fill, you don't).

Okay, lets compare that to my amp: Yamaha RX-V377.
Note: That IS an entry level AVR and was the most modest and cheapest Yamaha had on offer when I needed an amp in aa pinch. (more would not make sense for my speakers, more power would not be useful, I run it at -40dB and the neighbor already complains about the bass level (lol I swear that guy can hear grass grow laugh )

I have 70W @0.09/THD
You get 0.05 @ 50W
Yup, a little lower but both are well below any audible levels.

Frequency response
Mine: 10 - 100KHz +0 / -3db
Yours: 0 - 350KHz +-3db
In terms of what we can hear: 20 - 20000 that would be a tie. Both amps should be linear in that range with roll offs at the extremes of the spectrum.

S/N ratio:
Mine: 110db
Yours 79dB
Differences in measurements/weighting? Unclear since I do not know how the measurements are performed. Your amp seems considerably noisier but -79 should still be inaudible.

Power consumption idle:
Holy Moly yours eats 500W w/o doing squat all... yay Class A heater!
Sadly, my manual doesn't specify smirk

Your amp outperforms mine on paper. Easily. It should, yet according to the numbers I see, apart from a lousy class A efficiency I don't see anything that makes me go "OMG awesome". Chances are good that when I hear your amps paired with my speakers, I would not notice much of a difference... well ... except in the electrical bill and room temperature.

Wanna see a really well designed headphone amp with values that make audiophiles drool?
https://jdslabs.com/product/atom-amp/
Bam! 99$. Yeah, it is possible to design great hardware w/o it costing an arm and a leg.



Your amp and my amp are not in the same country as far as performance.

You’re ignoring the watts my amp can swing on transients, which is what a lot of complicated orchestral music requires for an exciting musical presentation. Some people call this slam.

I don’t play loud except for when it must be loud when playing back recordings that have a wide dynamic range. A Brahms Symphony can have a dynamic range of around 18 as measured by Tidal, Norah Jones is around 9.

I know all about the loudness wars. I don’t listen to that kind of crappy music.

The extra cost for the electric bill is around $50 a month, well worth it for the quality of sound I achieve. People blow more in Starbucks in two weeks.

I redacted because there are other products on the screenshot and I wanted you to just look at the numbers.



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Originally Posted by LarryK
One quick statement, how in the world can you claim that I have infinite disposable income? That is an absurd statement. I worked for a guy worth around half a billion dollars and even he didn’t have infinite disposable income. Hyperbole like this statement is not useful.

Figure of speech, not to be taken in the strict mathematical sense. wink

From the way you talk, it seems like a 10K amp is pocket change for you.
Compared to a person that can MAYBE, if life is kind, put away 2K/year, that does look like "he can buy whatever he fancies, monetary aspects be damned".


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Originally Posted by Granyala
Originally Posted by LarryK
One quick statement, how in the world can you claim that I have infinite disposable income? That is an absurd statement. I worked for a guy worth around half a billion dollars and even he didn’t have infinite disposable income. Hyperbole like this statement is not useful.

Figure of speech, not to be taken in the strict mathematical sense. wink

From the way you talk, it seems like a 10K amp is pocket change for you.
Compared to a person that can MAYBE, if life is kind, put away 2K/year, that does look like "he can buy whatever he fancies, monetary aspects be damned".


It is not pocket change to me, this amp is my lifetime amp, the one I expect to keep until I die and I gritted my teeth to buy it. I looked for seven years to find this amp on the used market at a price I could barely justify. I sold it to my wife based on how it consumes less floor space than my last amplifier, lol. I will not tell her the price.

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The key is to get one's disposable income to the level where one can afford one's hobbies. Everything beyond that is gravy.


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Originally Posted by LarryK
I don’t play loud except for when it must be loud when playing back recordings that have a wide dynamic range. A Brahms Symphony can have a dynamic range of around 18 as measured by Tidal, Norah Jones is around 9.


Double wattage nets you +3 db, so when you listen to efficient speakers at 90dB (1W for ease of calculus)
You need 8W to get to that +9dB and 64W to get to +18dB.

My amp can hold 70W continuous and spit out 160W on brief transients.

However, that would be 108dB of loudness. Ouch!

Personally, the most dynamic recording I have is +12, necessitating a measly 16 watts @ 102dB. certainly enough that the neighbor complains.


*chuckles* Okay, I got the wrong impression then and stand corrected.
Probably a wise choice b/c WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) is always difficult to get when it comes to HiFi gear. laugh
Originally Posted by LarryK
I redacted because there are other products on the screenshot and I wanted you to just look at the numbers.

To be perfectly honest: I'd rather look at a pic of your system. (considering that listening to it is sadly out of the question) laugh

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Originally Posted by Granyala
Originally Posted by LarryK
I don’t play loud except for when it must be loud when playing back recordings that have a wide dynamic range. A Brahms Symphony can have a dynamic range of around 18 as measured by Tidal, Norah Jones is around 9.


Double wattage nets you +3 db, so when you listen to efficient speakers at 90dB (1W for ease of calculus)
You need 8W to get to that +9dB and 64W to get to +18dB.

My amp can hold 70W continuous and spit out 160W on brief transients.

However, that would be 108dB of loudness. Ouch!

Personally, the most dynamic recording I have is +12, necessitating a measly 16 watts @ 102dB. certainly enough that the neighbor complains.


*chuckles* Okay, I got the wrong impression then and stand corrected.
Probably a wise choice b/c WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) is always difficult to get when it comes to HiFi gear. laugh
Originally Posted by LarryK
I redacted because there are other products on the screenshot and I wanted you to just look at the numbers.

To be perfectly honest: I'd rather look at a pic of your system. (considering that listening to it is sadly out of the question) laugh


You know, my quest has never been about playing at loud volume levels and I have never had a neighbor complain about my stereo. That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t get loud but I do not play at ear splitting levels.

My desire is to have a sound that is eerily lifelike and I like what I have built in terms of that criteria. Vocals are stunning for their depth and emotional content. Like I mentioned before, I tricked an electrician working in my kitchen into thinking I was playing the cello in the living room. That was kind of a blind test. Why he didn’t realize that I was using the new 20amp circuits he had installed the day before, I do not know, he just said he walked into the living room expecting me to be seated there with my cello, and I was not, lol. I don’t play the cello, and even if I did, I wouldn’t sound like Pablo Casals.

My speakers have a unit that actively rolls off bass so as to avoid the problem of bass overhang in small rooms. I do not run a sub although that would make the bottom end better if done right.



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Speaking of this ...
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The key is to get one's disposable income to the level where one can afford one's hobbies. Everything beyond that is gravy.
I get the impression that you're retired.
Did I guess right? Or am I full of it?

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Originally Posted by LarryK
My desire is to have a sound that is eerily lifelike and I like what I have built in terms of that criteria.
My speakers have a unit that actively rolls off bass so as to avoid the problem of bass overhang in small rooms. I do not run a sub although that would make the bottom end better if done right.
Well ultimately that is the most important aspect. After all, we build these systems to enjoy them.
As for the sub: integration and placement is very difficult. In terms of music listening (organ music and electronic music excluded) you are almost always better off w/o one.

I wouldn't want to watch a movie w/o a sub though. So much fun to feel the couch rumble. laugh


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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: MacMacMac] #2850011
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Speaking of this ...
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The key is to get one's disposable income to the level where one can afford one's hobbies. Everything beyond that is gravy.
I get the impression that you're retired.
Did I guess right? Or am I full of it?

Nope. Just a business owner.


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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: Granyala] #2850014
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Originally Posted by LarryK
My desire is to have a sound that is eerily lifelike and I like what I have built in terms of that criteria.
My speakers have a unit that actively rolls off bass so as to avoid the problem of bass overhang in small rooms. I do not run a sub although that would make the bottom end better if done right.
Well ultimately that is the most important aspect. After all, we build these systems to enjoy them.
As for the sub: integration and placement is very difficult. In terms of music listening (organ music and electronic music excluded) you are almost always better off w/o one.

I wouldn't want to watch a movie w/o a sub though. So much fun to feel the couch rumble. laugh


I agree, which is why I have not installed a sub and will not. Bass energy is the most problematic to control because the waves are so long, of course.

If I want to listen to organ music, I’ll go to St. John the Divine in Manhattan and listen to their organ, which has over 8,000 pipes. There is nothing else like it and I know I’ll never come close to reproducing that sound. I heard a performance of Bach’s complete orgelbüchlein a few months ago, it was stunning to hear that. It’s hard to know exactly where to sit, the organist gave us some tips, and I went with sitting in the chorister seats.

As for WAF, cost, and all that, I don’t own a car and I had the most assets when we married. I started out after college with about $3k to my name, and no debt, so building a system like this was a long time coming. My wife sometimes asks if we can sell all the gear and just get a radio, and I say, nope.

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Re: Audiophile Stuff! Turn away! Specs and sound. [Re: LarryK] #2850018
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Originally Posted by LarryK
If I want to listen to organ music, I’ll go to St. John the Divine in Manhattan and listen to their organ, which has over 8,000 pipes. There is nothing else like it and I know I’ll never come close to reproducing that sound. I heard a performance of Bach’s complete orgelbüchlein a few months ago, it was stunning to hear that. It’s hard to know exactly where to sit, the organist gave us some tips, and I went with sitting in the chorister seats.

My wife sometimes asks if we can sell all the gear and just get a radio, and I say, nope.

Man, I envy you. I always imagined how it would be to witness a live organ performance. Maybe one day.


Sell the gear and buy a radio .... HERESY I say... but which brings us right back to the point that audiophile SQ isn't important for many people. wink


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