Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

Who's Online Now
131 registered members (anotherscott, Abdol, Animisha, akc42, Anglagard44, Bobby Badd, amyram, 36 invisible), 1,440 guests, and 580 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Choosing a piano bench #2848820 05/16/19 12:11 PM
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 25
John_C Offline OP
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 25
Hi folks,

I wasn't sure what specific forum to place my question but this one looks to be as good as any.

Can anyone provide some guidance on selecting a quality piano bench?

I have a cheap one from Amazon that just isn't cutting it. The foam padding is very thin and the thing groans and squeaks as I play, driving me crazy. It's also non-adjustable and I feel cramped and uncomfortable when seated at my piano. I'm six feet tall and would like a taller seating position (around 21 - 22 inches I'm guessing) so I guess that means I should look at buying an adjustable bench.

Can anyone make some recommendations or provide some guidance on purchasing a bench?


John_C - Colorado Springs
Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories (570)
Piano accessories and music gift items, digital piano dolly, music theme party goods
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2848822 05/16/19 12:17 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3,038
WhoDwaldi Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3,038
In the long run, I think it's best to bite the bullet (an initially very expensive one) and buy an artist bench--the kind with knobs to adjust the height.

Everybody will recommend Jansen.
http://www.pianosupplies.com/pianos/JansenArtist.html


WhoDwaldi
Howard (by Kawai) 5' 10"
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2848823 05/16/19 12:22 PM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 61
T
texasdiver Offline
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
T
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 61
I haven't found any middle ground between the $700 Jansen benches (which are the standard) and the cheap $100 artist benches that you find on Amazon (which are basically cheap copies of the Jansen).

Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2848834 05/16/19 12:33 PM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 647
Music Me Offline
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 647
I have to agree with the previous posters. This is a clear example of you get what you pay for. I purchased a Jansen imitation artist bench and it squeaks and moves no matter how much I tighten the bolts. I will be giving myself a Jansen as this years Christmas gift from me to me! I would suggest you save your money and get a Jansen.

Last edited by Music Me; 05/16/19 12:34 PM.

Barbara
...without music, no life...
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2848836 05/16/19 12:37 PM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 23,330
BruceD Offline
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 23,330
As well as a Jansen adjustable artist bench, I have one of these adjustable chairs. It adjusts much more easily and quickly than my Jansen (which I keep at a constant height) and I have had this chair for 20 years and it still functions well without any creaks or groans. I don't think I paid more than $150.00 for it. You should be able to find one or order one at a piano store if not online.

Using a latch system, It adjusts from 18" to 22" in small increments. Conservatories and music schools use them, I've noticed.

[Linked Image]

Regards,

Last edited by BruceD; 05/16/19 12:40 PM.

BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: BruceD] #2848842 05/16/19 12:50 PM
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 711
W
WeakLeftHand Offline
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
W
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 711
Originally Posted by BruceD
As well as a Jansen adjustable artist bench, I have one of these adjustable chairs. It adjusts much more easily and quickly than my Jansen (which I keep at a constant height) and I have had this chair for 20 years and it still functions well without any creaks or groans. I don't think I paid more than $150.00 for it. You should be able to find one or order one at a piano store if not online.

Using a latch system, It adjusts from 18" to 22" in small increments. Conservatories and music schools use them, I've noticed.

[Linked Image]

Regards,


These chairs are so comfortable I don't know why benches are still the standard. I'm sure there's a good reason but I just don't know what it is.

Last edited by WeakLeftHand; 05/16/19 12:51 PM.
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2848846 05/16/19 01:13 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,907
Rickster Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,907
I got to sit in one of the chair-benches at Sam Smith's place during his piano party a couple of months ago. And, as others have said, it looked rather odd, but was indeed surprisingly comfortable.

I too have one of the cheap inexpensive ( smile ) adjustable artist benches with my Yamaha C7. It too squeaked and squawked and wiggled around. I adjusted it to the height I liked best and had the metal frame welded in place at a welding shop. (I removed the padded seat and the wooden frame so just the metal frame was exposed when welding) No more squeaking and squawking, and it is stable and fairly comfortable, although non-adjustable. But it is at just the right height for my back-woods, hillbilly piano playing. smile

My mantra? Anything man-made can be fixed, adjusted or replaced. smile

Rick

[Linked Image]


Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2848848 05/16/19 01:16 PM
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,255
ebonykawai Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,255
I ended up lucking out and finding a Concerto II artist bench on Craigslist for $80 and it's fabulous. It's SO much better than the CPS Imports bench I have that was $100 on Amazon. I'm converted, LOL, totally see why these and the Jensen are so expensive.


Lisa

Currently working on RCM 7 repertoire
Kawai UST-9, Yamaha CLP565GP, Kawai KDP110

"Sometimes I can only groan, and suffer, and pour out my despair at the piano!" - Frederic Chopin
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2848857 05/16/19 01:36 PM
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 390
Dr. Rogers Offline
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 390
A (somewhat beat-up) Jansen bench came with my concert grand when I bought it last year. Now I don't know how I ever managed with cheap benches - I love the Jansen.

On a related note, have any of you ever had the leather replaced on a Jansen? As I said, mine's a little beaten up and has a few tears in the leather.


Austin Rogers, PhD
Music Teacher in Austin, TX
Baldwin SD-10 Concert Grand "Kuroneko", Baldwin Upright, Yamaha P-255
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2848866 05/16/19 01:52 PM
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 183
S
sroreilly Offline
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
S
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 183
I have one of these:

https://www.thomannmusic.com/andexinger_andexinger_486s_mit_lederbezug.htm


It does not squeal and looks quite nice.

I also have an artist bench. The folded leather can make noises if you shift around.

Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: WeakLeftHand] #2848869 05/16/19 01:54 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3,038
WhoDwaldi Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3,038
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Originally Posted by BruceD
As well as a Jansen adjustable artist bench, I have one of these adjustable chairs. It adjusts much more easily and quickly than my Jansen (which I keep at a constant height) and I have had this chair for 20 years and it still functions well without any creaks or groans. I don't think I paid more than $150.00 for it. You should be able to find one or order one at a piano store if not online.

Using a latch system, It adjusts from 18" to 22" in small increments. Conservatories and music schools use them, I've noticed.

[Linked Image]

Regards,


These chairs are so comfortable I don't know why benches are still the standard. I'm sure there's a good reason but I just don't know what it is.


We had those at the conservatoire, eons ago, in a blond or yellow finish that matched nothing, so they went with everything. They had a solid, shorter back and a seat that sloped forward, which did help the player's back. As those chairs got heavy use, they would squeak, squawk, and malfunction. An old Steinway brochure showed their "baby" grand with a non-adjustable version (in matching ebony) called a "recital chair."


WhoDwaldi
Howard (by Kawai) 5' 10"
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: sroreilly] #2848870 05/16/19 01:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 1,226
Chrispy Offline
Gold Subscriber
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
Gold Subscriber
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 1,226
Originally Posted by sroreilly
I have one of these:

https://www.thomannmusic.com/andexinger_andexinger_486s_mit_lederbezug.htm

It does not squeal and looks quite nice.


+1 on the Andexinger. I think it fits nicely in that spot between crappy bench from Amazon and super expensive Jansen.

I have the Liftomatic https://www.thomannmusic.com/andexinger_klavierbank_liftomatic_02.htm

In fact, I like it better than the Jansen because the hydraulic is so much faster to set and I have to change my bench constantly as my son also plays. I've not sat on a Hidaru, but it's hard to imagine it's worth another $500.


I also notice that there's a new contender for hydraulic benches that's sold in the US. No experience with it, but it's good to see it. It has a poor review on Musicians Friend however.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Musici...op-Rosewood-Matt-Finish-1347291691366.gc

Last edited by Chrispy; 05/16/19 01:59 PM.

Now learning: Chopin C# minor Nocturne (posth) and C minor Prelude (big chords), Mozart Sonata in C K. 545
Instruments: Yamaha N1X, Kawai ES110, Roland GO:PIANO
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2848884 05/16/19 02:19 PM
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 681
Seeker Online Content
500 Post Club Member
Online Content
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 681
Jansen will recondition a bench if shipped to them. (...not sure if a tech has to do this for you). Reconditioning involves putting the mechanism into working order as well as reupholstering.


Andrew Kraus, Pianist
Educated Amateur Tuner/Technician
Rockville, MD USA
www.AndrewKraus.com
www.YouTube.com/RockvillePianoGuy
Twitter at @IAmAPianist

1929 Steinert 6'10" (Close copy of New York S&S "B")
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2849077 05/17/19 12:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
backto_study_piano Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
My Grotrian came with an adjustable bench - not a genuine as they don't make them. I suspect it wasn't a expensive as a Jansen (over $2000 here), and I think the sticker said made in Japan. It did start squeaking after a while - but I just tightened all the bolts and screws, lubricated the adjuster thread and it's fine now.

If you went to your piano store and tried all the benches they've got you should find one comfortable.

It looks like you're playing a Digital - sometimes the height of them is a bit different, so measure it before you go.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2849457 05/18/19 01:07 AM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4,027
PhilipInChina Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4,027
l got 2 artists ' benches as part of the deal on my Bluthner. Unknown brand but made very well in England. they are dovetailed hardwood and very heavy. Mass is important especially on a polished floor.


Currently working towards "Twinkle twinkle little star"
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2849766 05/18/19 09:22 PM
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,248
M
MarkL Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
M
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,248
I bought a relatively cheap adjustable then modified it. I don't like sitting on leather, so I removed the hinged seat lid and took it over to the local fabric store. They helped me pick the right kind of foam about 2" thick and some comfortable black fabric. I stretched the fabric over the foam and stapled it to the bottom of the lid.


Yamaha P90, Kawai GL-10
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: MarkL] #2849787 05/19/19 12:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
backto_study_piano Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
Originally Posted by MarkL
I bought a relatively cheap adjustable then modified it. I don't like sitting on leather, so I removed the hinged seat lid and took it over to the local fabric store. They helped me pick the right kind of foam about 2" thick and some comfortable black fabric. I stretched the fabric over the foam and stapled it to the bottom of the lid.

I don't like sitting on leather either - well, OK if I'm in long trousers which isn't often here other than winter.

I have a sheepskin draped over my relatively cheap adjustable bench - sort-of like this:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR4DSs2X00LJ38_o1Bhn-PEFIakG02--bhKOe9AGuvfpVHyXkUi5Q

Good in summer as well as winter.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850013 05/19/19 12:57 PM
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 5,625
malkin Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 5,625
The woolie on the bench looks nice. I'm not sure about sliding around though.

As for sitting on leather (or plastic or wood for that matter), I'm afraid that the occasional glimpses of my rather ancient thighs would be quite a horrifying distraction to both performer and listener, so I generally only play while fully clothed.


Learner
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850022 05/19/19 01:33 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,907
Rickster Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,907
Originally Posted by malkin
The woolie on the bench looks nice. I'm not sure about sliding around though.

As for sitting on leather (or plastic or wood for that matter), I'm afraid that the occasional glimpses of my rather ancient thighs would be quite a horrifying distraction to both performer and listener, so I generally only play while fully clothed.


Malkin, your comment reminds me of a post I made on PW a few years ago about a certain piano dealer who made an advertisement video of him playing one of his pianos buck-naked (as we say here in the south smile ).

Of course, you could only see the back side of him and very little anatomy at that. Puts a whole new light on the song, "By the light of the bare skin silvery moon". But another member didn't like my comments and reported it to the moderators.

Moral of the story? The bench doesn't have to be comfortable to bare skin, just clothed skin, at least on Piano World. smile

Rick


Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: Rickster] #2850054 05/19/19 02:48 PM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 158
jshelton Online Content
Silver Subscriber
Full Member
Online Content
Silver Subscriber
Full Member
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 158
If I recall correctly Friedrich Gulda tried giving concerts in the nude. Don't know how much of a success it was.


John Shelton
Shelton-Farretta Guitars
www.sheltonfarrettaguitars.com
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: jshelton] #2850058 05/19/19 02:56 PM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 23,330
BruceD Offline
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 23,330
Originally Posted by jshelton
If I recall correctly Friedrich Gulda tried giving concerts in the nude. Don't know how much of a success it was.


Barely successful, I would think!

Cheers!


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850064 05/19/19 03:21 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3,038
WhoDwaldi Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3,038
There's a successful trio, captured in a (humorous) painting by Beryl Cook.

https://www.gettyimages.ae/detail/v...ate-news-footage/674431366?adppopup=true

(Play the linked vid: nice piano bench. ha )


WhoDwaldi
Howard (by Kawai) 5' 10"
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850071 05/19/19 03:38 PM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,050
AaronSF Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,050
My August Förster came with a leather Jansen artist bench ($1100 retail). It's very heavy (35 pounds?) and obviously will last forever. However, I've never found Jansen benches to be all that comfortable. As I have lower back problems, after extensive research on this forum and elsewhere, I found an Andexinger Ergo bench for a very reasonable price at Thomann, the big German music store:

Andexinger Ergo Piano Bench

[Linked Image]

I love this bench. I ordered the bench online, and they had it to me in less than 10 days. It's very comfortable, strong, not super heavy, and the mechanism is silent.

So now I have an expensive Jansen bench I don't use! My teacher thinks the church she plays for might buy it from me.


August Förster 215
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: BruceD] #2850096 05/19/19 04:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 3,485
NobleHouse Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 3,485
Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by jshelton
If I recall correctly Friedrich Gulda tried giving concerts in the nude. Don't know how much of a success it was.


Barely successful, I would think!

Cheers!

grin



[Linked Image]
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: malkin] #2850111 05/19/19 05:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
backto_study_piano Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
Originally Posted by malkin
The woolie on the bench looks nice. I'm not sure about sliding around though.

As for sitting on leather (or plastic or wood for that matter), I'm afraid that the occasional glimpses of my rather ancient thighs would be quite a horrifying distraction to both performer and listener, so I generally only play while fully clothed.

No, it's got the soft back of the sheepskin which grips the seat very well - I have used one for at least 25 or 30 years, as has my Mum for even longer. I had to replace mine a few years ago as it finally wore out.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: Rickster] #2850119 05/19/19 05:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
backto_study_piano Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by malkin
The woolie on the bench looks nice. I'm not sure about sliding around though.

As for sitting on leather (or plastic or wood for that matter), I'm afraid that the occasional glimpses of my rather ancient thighs would be quite a horrifying distraction to both performer and listener, so I generally only play while fully clothed.


Malkin, your comment reminds me of a post I made on PW a few years ago about a certain piano dealer who made an advertisement video of him playing one of his pianos buck-naked (as we say here in the south smile ).

Of course, you could only see the back side of him and very little anatomy at that. Puts a whole new light on the song, "By the light of the bare skin silvery moon". But another member didn't like my comments and reported it to the moderators.

Moral of the story? The bench doesn't have to be comfortable to bare skin, just clothed skin, at least on Piano World. smile

Rick

Depends on how you sit on the piano bench. My mum would perch on the very front of the bench which I did too for years - probably because I was too lazy to move it!!!

Actually, I won't admit to being lazy - just procrastinating. I'm very good at procrastinating - why do something today which I can quite easily procrastinate again till the day after the day after tomorrow? I mightn't live that long and it would have been a waste of time - though that argument hasn't worked out yet.

But with back, hip ... and anything else you care to name - issues, I find I'm needing to sit further back, and if I'm in shorts, my leg can be in contact with the bench (and presumably the same happens if in a skirt - had no experience myself). And - yes, I do move it nowdays, often start a playing session perched on the front, then move it toward the piano when my back is screaming for more support.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850122 05/19/19 06:17 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,907
Rickster Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,907
Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
Depends on how you sit on the piano bench. My mum would perch on the very front of the bench which I did too for years - probably because I was too lazy to move it!!!

Actually, I won't admit to being lazy - just procrastinating. I'm very good at procrastinating - why do something today which I can quite easily procrastinate again till the day after the day after tomorrow? I mightn't live that long and it would have been a waste of time - though that argument hasn't worked out yet.

But with back, hip ... and anything else you care to name - issues, I find I'm needing to sit further back, and if I'm in shorts, my leg can be in contact with the bench (and presumably the same happens if in a skirt - had no experience myself). And - yes, I do move it nowdays, often start a playing session perched on the front, then move it toward the piano when my back is screaming for more support.

For years, I sat on the bench too close to the keyboard on the piano in a kind of slouch position. Never had any formal training, which I needed, but didn't know I needed it until it was too late. smile

That said, I learned as I went and as my piano playing has improved I've moved the bench further back away from the keyboard and my piano posture is better along with the position of my arms and fingers. Still, not that I can play all that well, but I have learned that how we sit at the bench can make a difference (or not:-).

On the other hand, I've seen some very well known concert pianists in some really slouchy sitting positions on the piano bench. So, I guess it's an individual thing as to how we sit at the bench, what bench we like or not like or if we sit at all. Some new-age pianists/performers stand while plying the digital stage piano. Personally, I'd rather sit while playing... smile

Rick


Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: Rickster] #2850155 05/19/19 08:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
backto_study_piano Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
Depends on how you sit on the piano bench. My mum would perch on the very front of the bench which I did too for years - probably because I was too lazy to move it!!!

Actually, I won't admit to being lazy - just procrastinating. I'm very good at procrastinating - why do something today which I can quite easily procrastinate again till the day after the day after tomorrow? I mightn't live that long and it would have been a waste of time - though that argument hasn't worked out yet.

But with back, hip ... and anything else you care to name - issues, I find I'm needing to sit further back, and if I'm in shorts, my leg can be in contact with the bench (and presumably the same happens if in a skirt - had no experience myself). And - yes, I do move it nowdays, often start a playing session perched on the front, then move it toward the piano when my back is screaming for more support.

For years, I sat on the bench too close to the keyboard on the piano in a kind of slouch position. Never had any formal training, which I needed, but didn't know I needed it until it was too late. smile

That said, I learned as I went and as my piano playing has improved I've moved the bench further back away from the keyboard and my piano posture is better along with the position of my arms and fingers. Still, not that I can play all that well, but I have learned that how we sit at the bench can make a difference (or not:-).

On the other hand, I've seen some very well known concert pianists in some really slouchy sitting positions on the piano bench. So, I guess it's an individual thing as to how we sit at the bench, what bench we like or not like or if we sit at all. Some new-age pianists/performers stand while plying the digital stage piano. Personally, I'd rather sit while playing... smile

Rick

Standing at a stage piano - bad news. A young "acquaintance" insisted that it was the "cool" thing to do. I'd sit to play the awful plastic piano at that Church, but he insisted on raising it up and standing when he played. His hands were bent back at a horrible angle. But - it was "cool" - or did I say that? But the damage being done to his arms and wrists horrified me.

Glenn Gould sat very low on a low chair, and he sat slouched badly. Not sure if this link will work?
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...a431e8090de/1500584111299/glenngould.jpg

WIKI says of Gould "The piano had to be set at a certain height and would be raised on wooden blocks if necessary. A small rug would sometimes be required for his feet underneath the piano. He had to sit exactly fourteen inches above the floor, and would play concerts only while sitting on the old chair his father had made. He continued to use this chair even when the seat was completely worn through."

There are many GOOGLE references to him having had extreme pain toward the end of his (all too short) life.

WIKI also quotes George Szell "That nut's a genius."


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: Seeker] #2850166 05/19/19 08:46 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,192
M
Morodiene Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
M
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,192
Originally Posted by Seeker
Jansen will recondition a bench if shipped to them. (...not sure if a tech has to do this for you). Reconditioning involves putting the mechanism into working order as well as reupholstering.

This is good to know! My bench, which came with my Petrof, is about a the end of its life for cushioning. I was thinking about buying another, but perhaps I can get Jansen to recondition it!


private piano/voice teacher FT

[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850180 05/19/19 10:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 18
T
thomscot Offline
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
T
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 18
Guidance is good, and we all can benefit from expert's advice. However, I find that nowadays it is so easy to end up going around in circle looking for "the best" thing, reading reviews, comparing prices etc. I do that too, and often wind up more undecided and confused than I was in the beginning. You know, like when you're looking on something on Amazon that has 90% five stars reviews but there's this guy... this guy, that gives 1 star and he really seems to make a valid point...

In a case like this, I think all you can really do is find a way to try as many options as you can. Because in the end it's all a matter of just one thing: what it's comfortable for YOU.

[Linked Image]

Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850186 05/19/19 10:50 PM
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 653
S
supersport Offline
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
S
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 653
I've used a standard office chair at times and found it satisfactory. They adjust easily, have decent back support if you want that and are easily moved. One will do if you need something quickly and want to wait until you have time to "test drive" some other options that you might have to travel to find. Just be careful of ones with arms to prevent scratches.


David



Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850219 05/20/19 02:26 AM
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 2,970
johnstaf Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 2,970
I have an Andexinger steel hydraulic bench, which has served me well for years.

At my digital, I have a widish wooden stool from IKEA. I knew that it was roughly the same height as another (fairly low) piano stool I used to have, so I planned to make some sort of cover with padding underneath to get the exact height I wanted, but that wasn't necessary in the end. It's bare wood, and I can sit on it for hours. Sometimes you just get lucky with these things. The stool is 45 cm in height, so it should be fairly easy to add height. I'm the same height as the OP, but my digital is slightly lower than my grand.

Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: johnstaf] #2850226 05/20/19 02:51 AM
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
backto_study_piano Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,373
Originally Posted by johnstaf
... It's bare wood, and I can sit on it for hours ...

I play Pipe Organ - on a wooden bench. In the morning worship I sit for about 1¼ to 1½ hrs before the sermon, then another 20 mins afterwards (and the pews are wooden for the sermon, but I have a cushion!! Evening isn't quite as long. But on Pipe Organ, you're more active - whole body, 2 legs, so that might help.

Our '60s KAWAI when I was a teenager had a wooden bench too, now that I think of it.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: Rickster] #2850256 05/20/19 05:01 AM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4,027
PhilipInChina Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 4,027
Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by malkin
The woolie on the bench looks nice. I'm not sure about sliding around though.

As for sitting on leather (or plastic or wood for that matter), I'm afraid that the occasional glimpses of my rather ancient thighs would be quite a horrifying distraction to both performer and listener, so I generally only play while fully clothed.


Malkin, your comment reminds me of a post I made on PW a few years ago about a certain piano dealer who made an advertisement video of him playing one of his pianos buck-naked (as we say here in the south smile ).

Of course, you could only see the back side of him and very little anatomy at that. Puts a whole new light on the song, "By the light of the bare skin silvery moon". But another member didn't like my comments and reported it to the moderators.

Moral of the story? The bench doesn't have to be comfortable to bare skin, just clothed skin, at least on Piano World. smile

Rick


Which reminds me about the piano stool joke, which I am not allowed to post. It would certainly get me banned.


Currently working towards "Twinkle twinkle little star"
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850329 05/20/19 08:43 AM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,907
Rickster Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,907
Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
Which reminds me about the piano stool joke, which I am not allowed to post. It would certainly get me banned.

Which reminds me of the old, antique piano stools with the claw-feet and crystal ball on the bottom of the legs. Also, the round seat raised up and down with a big threaded screw type center post; twist the stool counter-clockwise for up and clockwise for down. I have one of those, and older original. Original ones can be fairly expensive too, when you can find them.

I've seen advertisements for older upright pianos that included the old, adjustable claw-foot stools.

In lieu of an adjustable, padded concert bench, I prefer the standard wood bench with a cushioned pad on top, or no cushion at all if I'm not sitting too long at a time. If I'm playing my digital stage piano at an outdoor event I still take one of my regular wood piano benches.

Interesting discussion. smile

Rick


Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: Rickster] #2850343 05/20/19 09:17 AM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 5,257
dogperson Offline
Silver Subscriber
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
Silver Subscriber
5000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 5,257
Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
Which reminds me about the piano stool joke, which I am not allowed to post. It would certainly get me banned.

Which reminds me of the old, antique piano stools with the claw-feet and crystal ball on the bottom of the legs. Also, the round seat raised up and down with a big threaded screw type center post; twist the stool counter-clockwise for up and clockwise for down. I have one of those, and older original. Original ones can be fairly expensive too, when you can find them.

I've seen advertisements for older upright pianos that included the old, adjustable claw-foot stools.

In lieu of an adjustable, padded concert bench, I prefer the standard wood bench with a cushioned pad on top, or no cushion at all if I'm not sitting too long at a time. If I'm playing my digital stage piano at an outdoor event I still take one of my regular wood piano benches.

Interesting discussion. smile

Rick


FYI
Since I have vintage pianos, I wanted the antique stool with claw feet.,.... not for me, as they are quite uncomfortable but a place for my cat to sit 🙀.
Found vintage stools under $100 on eBay, including shipping.

The standard wood bench would Not work for me, as my body mechanics would be poor.

Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: WhoDwaldi] #2850402 05/20/19 11:29 AM
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 773
L
Lakeviewsteve Offline
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 773
Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
In the long run, I think it's best to bite the bullet (an initially very expensive one) and buy an artist bench--the kind with knobs to adjust the height.

Everybody will recommend Jansen.
http://www.pianosupplies.com/pianos/JansenArtist.html



I second this motion! I love my Jensen artist bench and find it worth every cent.


Bösendorfer 170
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: Lakeviewsteve] #2850404 05/20/19 11:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 773
G
GC13 Offline
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
G
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 773
Originally Posted by Lakeviewsteve
Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
In the long run, I think it's best to bite the bullet (an initially very expensive one) and buy an artist bench--the kind with knobs to adjust the height.

Everybody will recommend Jansen.
http://www.pianosupplies.com/pianos/JansenArtist.html



I second this motion! I love my Jensen artist bench and find it worth every cent.


And I'll third the motion! I wouldn't want to be without mine. There's a reason why the Jansen is the icon that it is.

Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850436 05/20/19 12:31 PM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 23,330
BruceD Offline
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 23,330
I would never give up my Jansen bench, but the only disadvantage - if that's the right word (perhaps inconvenience is a better one) - is that it takes so very many nob turns to raise it from its lowest level to the highest. For us pianists, maybe that's a good exercise for the wrists! The only time when this becomes a problem is when one of my colleagues plays; she sits low, and I sit high. That's when I bring out the adjustable chair I imaged earlier because adjusting it is so much easier and quicker than adjusting the Jansen.

That ease of adjustability is something to consider if several pianists sit at the same piano regularly. Otherwise, for most of us, our one position is the only one we need, most of the time.

Regards,


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850442 05/20/19 01:01 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,249
j&j Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,249
Somewhat similar to Rickster’s setup, I have a standard Yamaha padded bench in black. It’s a bit short for me so I tried some cheap increased padding. If I grab a fitted dining room seat cushion it’s very comfortable. But I wanted something that looked cool. I thought thick saddle blankets might work. I found that my thick black woolen saddle blanket is perfect. Handwoven to cushion the horse’s back and the rider’s behind. It’s very comfortable and I’m still able to use it.
I have a well padded adjustable seat and adjustable stand for my Casio.


J & J
Estonia L190 Hidden Beauty
Casio Privia PX-330
Pianos - the reason God made trees!
[Linked Image]
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850444 05/20/19 01:04 PM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,825
K
KurtZ Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
K
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,825
A couple of loose notes:

There are a lot of "keyboard" benches that adjust for height through their "X" legs. They're cheap (ish) light and strong.

I was told by my piano teacher to adjust the bench fore and aft by placing it so that my bent knuckles would just touch the fallboard with straight but not stretched arms.

When my back is acting up, I tilt my bench forward with a 2x4 under the back legs. The forward tilted hips help avoid slouching and promotes a properly curved lumbar. That, and a one inch closed cell (firm) pad put the bench at a really nice height for my six foot frame. I also put the music up on a 3 inch piece of foam so that I don't bend my neck forward (bulging C6 disc) to look down at the music. I don't find that the amount of tilt produced by the 1 3/4 inch of rise requires and excess of leg muscle to maintain stability but I know others who have abandoned forward sloping chairs for that reason.

Moral: you have to experiment and find what works for you.

Kurt


**********************************************************************************************************
Co-owner (by marriage) and part time customer service rep at an electronic musical equipment repair shop.
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: Lakeviewsteve] #2850544 05/20/19 08:03 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 368
JazzyMac Offline
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 368
Originally Posted by Lakeviewsteve
Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
In the long run, I think it's best to bite the bullet (an initially very expensive one) and buy an artist bench--the kind with knobs to adjust the height.

Everybody will recommend Jansen.
http://www.pianosupplies.com/pianos/JansenArtist.html



I second this motion! I love my Jensen artist bench and find it worth every cent.

I think I'm the fourth for this motion.

Love my Jansen bench. Looks like they have a ton more options than when I purchased mine a few years ago. Only thing is I misplaced all my allen wrenches and I need to tighten it.

Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850612 05/21/19 05:21 AM
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,147
B
barbaram Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
B
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,147
Another vote for the Andexinger, Super comfortable, doesn't move or squeak, and hydraulic operation so BruceD's issue about the number of knob turns does not arise


[Linked Image]
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2850782 05/21/19 02:13 PM
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 495
J
John305 Offline
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
J
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 495
Has anybody tried this ergonomic piano bench?
I’m intrigued but this idea and would like some feedback from anyone who may have used one.


It’s never too late to be what you might have been. -George Eliot
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2852472 05/26/19 04:37 PM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 10,154
MacMacMac Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 10,154
Cheap is often a poor value. But expensive often is, too.

My somewhat cheap duet bench lasted 30 years, needing only a quick re-appholstery (a yard of vinyl sheet) after nearly 20 years. A loose leg finally persuaded me to replace it.

The replacement is just an ordinary $80 bench.

Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: JazzyMac] #2857375 06/10/19 08:21 PM
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 241
J
JJHLH Offline
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
J
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 241
Originally Posted by JazzyMac
Originally Posted by Lakeviewsteve
Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
In the long run, I think it's best to bite the bullet (an initially very expensive one) and buy an artist bench--the kind with knobs to adjust the height.

Everybody will recommend Jansen.
http://www.pianosupplies.com/pianos/JansenArtist.html



I second this motion! I love my Jensen artist bench and find it worth every cent.

I think I'm the fourth for this motion.

Love my Jansen bench. Looks like they have a ton more options than when I purchased mine a few years ago. Only thing is I misplaced all my allen wrenches and I need to tighten it.


I have a leather Jansen Artist Bench and it one of the best items I have ever purchased. It is so comfortable time just flies by while practicing. Highly recommended!


Yamaha N1X, P-515.
Genelec 8331 monitors.
VI’s: Garritan CFX, VSL Bösendorfer Upright, and VSL Blüthner 1895.
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: texasdiver] #2857392 06/10/19 09:53 PM
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 32
M
macuaig Offline
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 32
I have a $200 bench from CPS Imports that I’d buy again. Padding is a little hard for my taste, but it’s well built and so far dead quiet. Good height adjustment range, though I bought a shorter set of matched legs from them as it bottomed out with the legs as sold. It’s called “Adjustable Pillow Top Genuine Leather Artist Piano Bench Stool in Ebony”, and I got it online.


Adult Beginner: Yamaha P115 Piano, Guitars
Long Gone: Trumpet, Renaissance Recorders
Re: Choosing a piano bench [Re: John_C] #2857938 06/12/19 08:13 PM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 4,914
Jeff Clef Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 4,914
Jansen Artist for me. It was the third bench I bought--- trying to save some bucks. The first two cheaper benches are serving other purposes now.

The amount the Jansen travels [how much it will go up or down] is not that much, but it is rock-solid when you get there. I learned that you can order different sizes of legs. So, if you are able to try this in a store, you might save some money by [1] deciding the standard leg is perfect for you, or [2] ordering shorter or taller legs when you order the bench. That could save you about a hundred bucks, if you can do it that way.

You are seated in the power of intention: your piano posture is the alpha and omega for the Jansen Artist bench. If you play much, you will see what I mean. I have never seen one used for any other purpose.


Clef

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Shop our Store for Music Lovers!
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Bechstein
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Display problem on CN34
by KenBakerMN - 01/17/20 02:23 PM
"Vintage" Mason & Hamlin vs New
by Propianoplayer - 01/17/20 02:14 PM
Qucik tuning with the Korg CA-30
by edferris - 01/17/20 12:25 PM
1875 Steinway Model B?
by rg171352 - 01/17/20 11:08 AM
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics196,360
Posts2,913,949
Members95,637
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2019 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3