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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2848769
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Surely it doesn't really matter. Whether we are a beginner, intermediate, advanced or concert level, or a teacher or a tuner, we can all learn something from these threads. Yes, better to post in the appropriate one, but if you stick to just your 'level' or your 'expertise' you are likely to miss something interesting.


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2848770
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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But I think this is all par for the course. There should be nothing astounding in this makeup of the references to piano teachers on ABF by various members.

It should be noted that it hardly makes sense for the majority of the members of ABF to be anti-teacher. In the last ABF survey in the autumn, 57.3% of the ABF members that responded to the survey have a teacher. I think anti-piano-teacher folks would hardly have a teacher themselves.


Maybe I've been oblivious but I haven't noticed any blatant anti-teacher threads or posts? There was one I remember when a student complained about all of his teachers...but I think most people there concluded the problem might not have been with the teachers.

But then, I'm fairly new here so maybe I just haven't seen it.

FWIW, I have a teacher and I like her. I have no anti-piano teacher sentiments, but I do have anti-piano teacher forum sentiments. grin

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Maybe I've been oblivious but I haven't noticed any blatant anti-teacher threads or posts? There was one I remember when a student complained about all of his teachers...but I think most people there concluded the problem might not have been with the teachers.

But then, I'm fairly new here so maybe I just haven't seen it.

There have been a few threads, but I'm not going to link them so as not to fuel a fire. As I said, most have been anti-Piano Teacher forum comments, and the extent of other negative piano teacher sentiment has mostly been confined to people explaining why they don't have teachers themselves or don't believe a teacher can help them, with a "few" notable exceptions. For example, to illustrate the exceptions, one current forum member has, in the past explained that they can watch piano teachers in Youtube videos but would not want one to teach them one-on-one and is absolutely negative on piano teachers altogether, but has not been able to cogently explain the difference between the two - why a piano teacher-made video is OK but a live breathing piano teacher in the room with them is not.

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I have no anti-piano teacher sentiments, but I do have anti-piano teacher forum sentiments. grin

As I said!


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2848777
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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Maybe I've been oblivious but I haven't noticed any blatant anti-teacher threads or posts? There was one I remember when a student complained about all of his teachers...but I think most people there concluded the problem might not have been with the teachers.

But then, I'm fairly new here so maybe I just haven't seen it.

There have been a few threads, but I'm not going to link them so as not to fuel a fire. As I said, most have been anti-Piano Teacher forum comments, and the extent of other negative piano teacher sentiment has mostly been confined to people explaining why they don't have teachers themselves or don't believe a teacher can help them, with a "few" notable exceptions. For example, to illustrate the exceptions, one current forum member has, in the past explained that they can watch piano teachers in Youtube videos but would not want one to teach them one-on-one and is absolutely negative on piano teachers altogether, but has not been able to cogently explain the difference between the two - why a piano teacher-made video is OK but a live breathing piano teacher in the room with them is not.

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I have no anti-piano teacher sentiments, but I do have anti-piano teacher forum sentiments. grin

As I said!


Aaahhh! Thanks for the enlightenment.

Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2848778
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I think teachers or advanced palyers are quite welcome here as well as total beginners. However we mostly try to be friendly or at least polite even when we disagree. So we don't call our fellow forum members "stinkers" even if we may sometimes think so quietly...

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I agree we welcome advanced players and teachers here - we all have a lot to learn and expert opinions are valued. The only anti-teacher sentiment I am aware of stemmed from a very small handful of teachers who have been aggressively disparaging their students. Most of those comments were on the Teacher forum, not here.

Others may feel teachers are necessary for them, but that doesn’t make them anti-teacher.


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2848861
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Originally Posted by Stubbie
Perhaps, as a teacher, you're sensitized to critical remarks about teachers.


I think you're right.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
a few ABF members, who may have mistakenly wandered into the Piano Teachers forum like a lamb led to slaughter....


That gave me a chuckle just now.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It should be noted that it hardly makes sense for the majority of the members of ABF to be anti-teacher.


Indeed, it's far from the majority. And there are styles where a teacher may not be needed. Those styles just don't exist in my world. cool


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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: outo] #2848864
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Originally Posted by outo
I think teachers or advanced palyers are quite welcome here as well as total beginners. However we mostly try to be friendly or at least polite even when we disagree. So we don't call our fellow forum members "stinkers" even if we may sometimes think so quietly...


Sure. In general I wouldn't say something like that about other forum members, and there are many with whom I have had polite and professional disagreements. What you may not be aware of is that I have been harassed via private messages. I've received threats and been called all sorts of horrid names (in multiple languages, no less). I think "stinker" is a pretty mild word for people who would do such a thing.

Edit: Something just occurred to me. I wonder if it's because people see my avatar and think I'm female. I've always read that women experience much more harassment online than men. I don't know if that's the case or not.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
I wonder if it's because people see my avatar and think I'm female. I've always read that women experience much more harassment online than men. I don't know if that's the case or not.


Oh! That answers my curiosity as to whether or not you were the "Ms. Rogers" who was my first piano teacher some 40 years ago, plus or minus. Must've been someone else! She didn't live in Texas though...

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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
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I think teachers or advanced palyers are quite welcome here as well as total beginners. However we mostly try to be friendly or at least polite even when we disagree. So we don't call our fellow forum members "stinkers" even if we may sometimes think so quietly...


Sure. In general I wouldn't say something like that about other forum members, and there are many with whom I have had polite and professional disagreements. What you may not be aware of is that I have been harassed via private messages. I've received threats and been called all sorts of horrid names (in multiple languages, no less). I think "stinker" is a pretty mild word for people who would do such a thing.

Edit: Something just occurred to me. I wonder if it's because people see my avatar and think I'm female. I've always read that women experience much more harassment online than men. I don't know if that's the case or not.


I do not see you have an avatar. I thought you were male!

I have had the same experience as you, being attacked via private message because that person could not win the argument in public. And yes, I am female, and yes, the attackers are usually older men. But I'm not sure they knew I was female. I just thought that's how older men handled arguments, all gloves off. I don't know. I guess I'm just generalizing.

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As for whom this forum is intended, I think it is intended for anyone who thinks s/he has something to contribute or has questions to ask, just like the other forums (fora?) on Piano World. Many of us are from experts, but do have some experience which may help others when it is shared.

Some of us even have opinions that we are willing to share! smile

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Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for? [Re: WeakLeftHand] #2848898
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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
Originally Posted by outo
I think teachers or advanced palyers are quite welcome here as well as total beginners. However we mostly try to be friendly or at least polite even when we disagree. So we don't call our fellow forum members "stinkers" even if we may sometimes think so quietly...


Sure. In general I wouldn't say something like that about other forum members, and there are many with whom I have had polite and professional disagreements. What you may not be aware of is that I have been harassed via private messages. I've received threats and been called all sorts of horrid names (in multiple languages, no less). I think "stinker" is a pretty mild word for people who would do such a thing.

Edit: Something just occurred to me. I wonder if it's because people see my avatar and think I'm female. I've always read that women experience much more harassment online than men. I don't know if that's the case or not.


I do not see you have an avatar. I thought you were male!

I have had the same experience as you, being attacked via private message because that person could not win the argument in public. And yes, I am female, and yes, the attackers are usually older men. But I'm not sure they knew I was female. I just thought that's how older men handled arguments, all gloves off. I don't know. I guess I'm just generalizing.


I didn't realize you were female to I saw one of your other posts the other day. Doesn't matter to me male / female I have gotten private emails on another music forum and I learned to just let it go. I'm male by the way.

As far as who is ABF for, I think all of us. I'm not a beginner but I never got to the really advanced stage either after all these years. Life got in the way. I always read Morodience post ,as an example, she offers good advice and is level headed in her answers.


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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
I have been harassed via private messages. I've received threats and been called all sorts of horrid names (in multiple languages, no less).


You can put people on *ignore* and they can no longer send you private messages. Click on their username next to a post, and then on "view profile". Right under their initial information there is a series of brown boxes, and the far right one is "ignore".

In the context of public threads you will not be able to see the content of their posts unless you explicitly toggle a specific post. I've got a couple of people on *ignore* and I don't think I've missed anything smile Once in awhile I'll toggle a specific post, but largely I'm happy skipping them.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers


Sure. In general I wouldn't say something like that about other forum members, and there are many with whom I have had polite and professional disagreements. What you may not be aware of is that I have been harassed via private messages. I've received threats and been called all sorts of horrid names (in multiple languages, no less). I think "stinker" is a pretty mild word for people who would do such a thing.

Edit: Something just occurred to me. I wonder if it's because people see my avatar and think I'm female. I've always read that women experience much more harassment online than men. I don't know if that's the case or not.


Really? Names, threats??? Why in the world would anyone bother? That’s crazy.


Originally Posted by jotur

You can put people on *ignore* and they can no longer send you private messages. Click on their username next to a post, and then on "view profile". Right under their initial information there is a series of brown boxes, and the far right one is "ignore".

In the context of public threads you will not be able to see the content of their posts unless you explicitly toggle a specific post. I've got a couple of people on *ignore* and I don't think I've missed anything smile Once in awhile I'll toggle a specific post, but largely I'm happy skipping them.


Would love to see that ignore list, just for ideas wink.

Ps tell me if you can see this message lol.


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I usually don't use the ignore but just pass over those posts and never engage them. So far it seems to have worked for me. I just hope those folks that seem so angry in their posts are just putting on an act. For life is to short to be that angry face to face too.

Peace all smile


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Ps tell me if you can see this message lol.


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I have ever only used the "ignore" option on one person. I think that they shortly afterwards were "banned".


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What was that? Did someone say something?

Just kidding. I’ve never ignored someone....at least not on an official level.


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I've never noticed this thread before. I'd say that the ABF is for LEARNERS. That's it. The Pianist forum is different in that there is an assumption that the members there already have backgrounds, and it may be expected that they know stuff, but there will be a bleedover either direction.

Where students have questions, teachers might pop up to give insight into those questions in the ABF. Advanced pianists might too. Some teachers are also still learners. Some advanced pianists are still learners. Pavarotti, at the end of his life, said "I am a student."

So I think the ABF is for learners, and about learning.

Young children would probably not post in the ABF because they are young children, but a 15 year old might well do so - and that should be quite ok.

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Originally Posted by keystring
I've never noticed this thread before. I'd say that the ABF is for LEARNERS. That's it. The Pianist forum is different in that there is an assumption that the members there already have backgrounds, and it may be expected that they know stuff, but there will be a bleedover either direction.

Where students have questions, teachers might pop up to give insight into those questions in the ABF. Advanced pianists might too. Some teachers are also still learners. Some advanced pianists are still learners. Pavarotti, at the end of his life, said "I am a student."

So I think the ABF is for learners, and about learning.

Young children would probably not post in the ABF because they are young children, but a 15 year old might well do so - and that should be quite ok.

Exactly - Well put!


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