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Oh my mind, my mind! #2848306
05/15/19 05:41 AM
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I am a bit struggling right now. I have always been a fast learner, but when it comes to the piano, I feel I am the slowest learner ever. Whatever capacities I may have, I am severely lacking in those that are helpful when trying to learn to play the piano. My aural skills are so low that they cannot be called skills. I seem not to have any sense of rhythm either. My once good memory has not been good for many years now. My hands easily tense up and have a tendency for brusque movements, far away from the relaxed flow I strive to accomplish.

So progress is sl-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-w.

But, as long as I don't think these thoughts, as long as I don't compare my progress to others, I am fine. I enjoy practising and polishing my pieces, and I tremendously enjoy the richer experience of listening to music, now that I understand music a bit more.

But it is a bit of a struggle to not think this thoughts.


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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: Animisha] #2848334
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Originally Posted by Animisha
I am a bit struggling right now. I have always been a fast learner, but when it comes to the piano, I feel I am the slowest learner ever. Whatever capacities I may have, I am severely lacking in those that are helpful when trying to learn to play the piano. My aural skills are so low that they cannot be called skills. I seem not to have any sense of rhythm either. My once good memory has not been good for many years now. My hands easily tense up and have a tendency for brusque movements, far away from the relaxed flow I strive to accomplish.

So progress is sl-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-w.

But, as long as I don't think these thoughts, as long as I don't compare my progress to others, I am fine. I enjoy practising and polishing my pieces, and I tremendously enjoy the richer experience of listening to music, now that I understand music a bit more.

But it is a bit of a struggle to not think this thoughts.


That sounds tough. I'm a bit of the opposite recently. I've always been a slow learner. I've been pleasantly surprised that my childhood skills have returned relatively quickly.

But progress has slowed right down, I'm not at my childhood skill level yet, but the difference now is that last bit of skill was never so solidly ingrained as what it was built on. So I am now having to deal with switching from rapid progress to slow progress, but for someone who has always been a slow learner I suppose that is easier.

Take care, I know I need to keep refocusing on the music and not on comparisons which can just be destructive. Especially hard when listening to professionals playing what I'm learning so I can gain a feel for different interpretations.


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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: Animisha] #2848391
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nothing is as destructive to my self confidence as piano, but I just gotta have my daily fix. smirk


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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: earlofmar] #2848403
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Originally Posted by KevinM
[quote=Animisha] Take care, I know I need to keep refocusing on the music and not on comparisons which can just be destructive.

Yes, that's it.

Originally Posted by earlofmar
nothing is as destructive to my self confidence as piano, but I just gotta have my daily fix. smirk

Ahhhhh!! wink


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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: Animisha] #2848415
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Yes of course progress is slow and it gets worst with age.



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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: Animisha] #2848438
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Learning to play the piano as an adult, especially if you didn't have lessons as a child, is a humbling experience (at least that's my experience). But, oh, the rewards!

One of the "urban myths" people have when starting piano is that it will get easier as they go along. But, no, it actually gets harder for a good long while before it gets anything like easier. Pieces get longer and more complicated and require more skills. We become more self-analytical and self-critical. So, yeah, it's slow and it's hard. It's human nature to compare ourselves to others, but we do have the power to decide not to go down that road and just get on with our practice.


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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: Animisha] #2848453
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Ooh, self chatter is our worst enemy! I am working on letting go of harsh judgement of self, be gentle to self, and staying in my lane. So in context of learning to play piano as an adult: yes, I accept that progress is gonna be different than if I had started at a younger age; my brain is wired differently from everyone else and I will work within its uniqueness. Believe me, in the first 2 years of learning - I was a total bitch to self. Now, in my 6th year, I am learning to seek joy in practice. This morning, I spent 1 hour on slow practice, plus metronome, looping 4 measures over and over again. I could have interpreted as pure pain I didn’t, i reframed it as working on tempo and rhythm; and I am gonna get there. Eventually I do.

My teacher asked me to keep a post-practice journal...I write, the good, bad, and ugly, the ugly and bad become my next practice. Then I glanced over the week, and tell myself that yup- the ugly became the bad, and the bad aren’t so bad now.

Recommend consistency, as with everything else in life. You will need a dose of patience, that also needs to be learnt, and eventually the results come through. Just don’t give up.


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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: Animisha] #2848469
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Hi Animisha, I am just now coming out of a down period of about a month where I would skip 2 or 3 days of practice every week just because it was so hard. I am coming around to the point of view that patience is the number quality I need to ultimately become successful. And I am trying to make sure I enjoy practice, enjoy touching my sweet little Baldwin, and listening for the lovely combination notes I hit from time to time.

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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: Stubbie] #2848486
05/15/19 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Stubbie
it actually gets harder for a good long while before it gets anything like easier. Pieces get longer and more complicated and require more skills. We become more self-analytical and self-critical.

Stubbie, it is a relief to read this! Yes, of course, it gets harder first, you are right! Of course, it was difficult in its own way in the beginning as well, but there was also so much progression. Every week I was so clearly better than last week. Those days are long gone now!


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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: Animisha] #2848487
05/15/19 02:48 PM
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And thank you Serge88, Pianoperformance and Progman, all true what you say and I am happy to read that I am not the only one. The basic rule of learning to play the piano.

Thou shall not compare thyself to others!

And of course, lower your metronome... eek


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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: Animisha] #2848545
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I think I'm happy with the struggle, because I just compare with myself... on the violin. At least, on the piano it is clear where the note is and it always sounds good (as 'in tune').

How could we possibly feel bad, when that joy of a recognizable measure hits us?

Joy in the music!

Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: diviajar1] #2848558
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Originally Posted by diviajar1
I think I'm happy with the struggle, because I just compare with myself... on the violin. At least, on the piano it is clear where the note is and it always sounds good (as 'in tune').

How could we possibly feel bad, when that joy of a recognizable measure hits us?

Joy in the music!


I studied the violin for about ten years and I have just started lessons on the piano. To be honest, in many ways, I find the piano to be harder than the violin, mainly because of the coordination required between the two hands, and the movement of ten independent fingers. On the violin, you’re generally playing just one melodic line, while on the piano, this line or lines could be in the bass, or in the treble, or both, or together, or separately.

On the violin, at the beginning, it is relatively easy to play simple fiddle tunes. In the piano, I can do this easily with one hand, but when I need to coordinate both hands, I run into a lot of problems.

The movement of the bow on the violin is a rather monolithic action, you don’t need to track the five fingers of the right hand separately, but on the piano, you do.

Yes, of course, we don’t have the intonation problems of the violin on the piano, but we have a lot of other problems, lol.

I’ve been studying the classical guitar for about the last nine years. That has its own challenges, and requires much more coordination of both hands than the violin. I am talking about plucking with “pima” on the right hand and fretting, holding, and releasing individual notes with the left, not strumming, and not just playing chords by putting down all fingers at once.

Anyway, I think all instruments are impossible. There, I said it. :-)


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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: Animisha] #2848580
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Originally Posted by Animisha
...But it is a bit of a struggle to not think this thoughts.


Note the distraction and resume breathing.


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Re: Oh my mind, my mind! [Re: malkin] #2848791
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Originally Posted by malkin
Originally Posted by Animisha
...But it is a bit of a struggle to not think this thoughts.


Note the distraction and resume breathing.

+1


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